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tonywRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110220 02:17  #2261
@xenic

I like "Moby". Sounds great in any tongue and OWB's size is reminiscent of a whale anyway.
ChrisHRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 18:55  #2311
Kas1e is getting lazy (only kidding!) since he hasn't posted the latest *very nice* progress reports:
20 Feb
20 Feb (even better!)
20 Feb (what remains to be done)
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 19:39  #2315
@ChrisH

Thanks :)

But the very latest screenshot, with defauls_aos4 theme are there (done few mins ago).

But our default mui3 theme suck a bit , and while its better than old mui3.x look, its still feels a bit rare.

@Mason
Maybe you will in interest to make more modern theme for mui as default ?:) (i will send you mail today with all the info).
ChrisHRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 19:43  #2316
@kas1e
I very much like OS4.1's standard MUI theme - fits perfectly with the standard OS4.1 look (which I also love). Not so keen on the OS4 window theme you use :)

But anyway, looks very nice. Thanks for the update.
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 19:55  #2319
@ChrisH

That just a theme, can be changed manually (i.e. default as it for now, and some more modern, for all those modern-lowers like me:) )
mrodfrRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 20:22  #2321
@kas1e

Maybe you will in interest to make more modern theme for mui as default ?:) (i will send you mail today with all the info).


I'm also interested by this infos ! (For me, MUI 3.9 can't use more than 4 colors for the GFX).

I really would like to have MUI using more than 4 colors.
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 20:28  #2322
@mrodfr
You already can, but you need manually setup all the stuff. Its a bit of work through, and better have something good looking by default.

samo79Re: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110221 23:45  #2343
@kas1e

Yep standard MUI 3.9 theme isn't too good but with a proper theme we can easly create somethings modern, this is my YAM shoot using imagodespira theme, font DejaVu Sans condensed and Alessandro Bacchia buttons :-)

http://img267.imageshack.us/i/themej.png
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 00:04  #2344
@samo79

Looks better, but still gadget-images same old-looking. I mean those images for dropdown menus, for marking the prefs, etc.
samo79Re: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 00:13  #2345
@kas1e

I think they are all themable even using the unregistered (MUI) version :-)

Aniway would be good if next OS4 release can be able to use a single style for Reaction/MUI software, a sort of "integration" of both
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 00:20  #2346
@samo79

Yeah, its all can be changed if i remember righ. But making mui theme its kind of pain, so for sure will be cool if someone like Mason or Imagospera will make one someday :)
mrodfrRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 07:38  #2351
@kas1e

but you need manually setup all the stuff.

What does that mean ?

I'm interesting to have informations for making good colored themes for AOS4 (with gadgets more than 4 colors ilbm).
ChrisHRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 14:19  #2359
@mrodfr
For me, MUI 3.9 can't use more than 4 colors for the GFX

You mean that MUI apps have OS3.x look, not OS4.1 look? Very strange, since MUI apps look "OS4.1 native" to me as soon as I installed OS4.1. I am a registered MUI user, but I don't think that should make a difference?
mrodfrRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 19:01  #2365
@ChrisH

All small gadgets on the AOS4 themes are ILBM 4 planes graphics (Colors are just for the patterns).

kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 20:41  #2368
@mrodfr
Yep, you are right.

@CrhisH
Just try for example to create "tapestop.mbr" image in the images/default_os4 directory, by the same size , just 256 cols, or 16 cols, or 16/24 bits, then save that as .iff , and replace. Then go to mui-prefs or to any programm which use tapestop image, and you will see that all colors borked. Because of that all our "mui gadgets" looks primitive and un-modern : our mui for now cant handle correctly truecolor images (or even palette ones, just 256 cols, or even 128 cols will be enough already) for all those small gadgets (down/up/tapes/etc/cicle/ and so on).
ChrisHRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 23:08  #2378
@kas1e
looks primitive and un-modern

To me they look "clean & a bit modern", but then I probably should have guessed your thoughts from your opinion of OS4.1's lovely (clean & modern) default theme :-)

(from AW.net)
In general, stop factor are this one as well : you will need update3 minimum. Because it have some fixes in MUI which our current update2 not have. So all in all , all the "timelines" going to be "right after update3".

I'm guessing that Update 3 (or whatever they call it) will be around the time that OS4 for the X1000 is released (whenever that might be!), and perhaps non-beta OS4 for Sam460, simply because it would greatly simplify their testing & release schedule (which as has been explained recently, is rather involved due to having so many different platforms to support).

I'm also guessing that Timberwolf might see the light of day around the same time as the (OS4) X1000 release, certainly some people have speculated as much, simply because it would really bolster perceptions of the X1000 in having a full browser from the start.

If all that guessing were true, then MUI-OWB could get released around the same time as Timberwolf!!
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110222 23:31  #2380
@ChrisH


To me they look "clean & a bit modern", but then I probably should have guessed your thoughts from your opinion of OS4.1's lovely (clean & modern) default theme :-)


For you 4 color images its "modern" ? Its can be "good looking" for someone, but 4 colors images for sure can't be called "modern" at all. All in all i think there is nothing to discuss, because we all understand that better have support for true-color images in any kind of software, with compare with 4 (!) only colors images. If some one will want 4 colors themes (not sure there will be many), they can use it, but most part of plain users for sure want to have those fancy-looking images and alt. And for that having support of truecolor (or even 128/256 cols images) will be solution. Users should have choice, and not being limited to 4 colors images (strange that we even discuss pluses and minuses of 4colors images versus truecolor ones).

About TW, dunno what to say. We all know how brothers busy with all the other stuff about os4 and x1000, to be in hope that not-beta version of TW will out soon.
TSKRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110223 00:33  #2381
@kas1e

Haven't you noticed the latest trend ? Nowadays 2 colours (and maybe some shades of the other colour) is modern (in buttons I mean). (Default Mac theme, FF4, Chrome browser...) ;-) I guess you're a "victim" of pure numbers. ;-) Sometimes less is better. :-)
ChrisHRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110223 00:35  #2382
@kas1e
I don't see this argument going anywhere (you obviously have a completely different viewpoint to me, plus it is totally off topic), but: I didn't mean that a 4 colour limit was a good thing, merely that I didn't think it was especially noticable on tiny gadgets, for the default OS4 theme. A hi-colour version of the gadgets would likely add subtle shading that many wouldn't even notice, at least not immediately, unless they have their face 1cm from their 50 inch monitor...

IMHO, a "modern" or "stylish" look is one which uses as few colours as possible (where I count (say) bright red & dark red as one "colour"). Look at OS X GUIs, it is mostly white, with a few dabs of colour (typically blues). Although Apple took this a bit too far (IMHO) with the latest iTunes where all the icones are now basically gray embossed (and so hard to read).

But if you want (what to me is) a somewhat garish & overly fussy look, then I can understand that you might think 4 colours is a bit limiting... Certainly it will be good if that limitation is removed, even if some MUI themes might then hurt my eyes ;-)


edit: TSK beat me to it, and basically explained the same thing in 1/10th of the space!
kas1eRe: Progress in porting Fab's OWB to OS420110223 09:53  #2387
@TSK

Sometime less is better, yes, when its about some stilysh, black/white or blue/white themes , but for first not all the time, not all the themes, not for all the users, and its mostly gradients, not plain 2 colors. Limiting users choice by few colors with words "less is better", its for sure not right way and it has nothing to do with "victim of pure numbers". I see default mac theme, i see ff4 and chome, and they not limiting to 4 colors for sure. Its gradients, and many different gradients of almost the same initial color

@ChirsH

A hi-colour version of the gadgets would likely add subtle shading that many wouldn't even notice, at least not immediately, unless they have their face 1cm from their 50 inch monitor...


With more colors in mui gadgets, you can have any kind of theme for any need, and its not about shading, and its not about small changes. You will see difference very much.


IMHO, a "modern" or "stylish" look is one which uses as few colours as possible (where I count (say) by right red & dark red as one "colour"). Look at OS X GUIs, it is mostly white, with a few dabs of colour (typically blues). Althrogh Apple took this a bit too far (IMHO) with the latest iTunes where all the icones are now basically gray embossed (and so hard to read).


But its NOT 4 colors ! Its colors choicing from true-color range, and just choiced those one which are good, and feets into "modern & stilish". They not reduced by 4 color limits, they works with whole , and choice what they found for good, and do right gradients from.

Just try yourself to make any new gadget now (as i say for TapeStop.mbr), and then you will see all the limitation very clear.


But if you want (what to me is) a somewhat garish & overly fussy look, then I can understand that you might think 4 colours is a bit limiting... Certainly it will be good if that limitation is removed, even if some MUI themes might then hurt my eyes ;-)


You always can use any theme you want, and which will not hurt your eyes, but some other will like to have choice.

You already can see, that many amiga users today use and like that "silver theme", which you for sure dislike. So saying "i, me", its not "all, for all".

All in all, i really not see point, to talk about it. Saying in 2011 that "let's limit to 4 colors, its cool , its way to make modern and stilish themes" .. It's dunno what. Just do search in google for mui4 pictures. For example, in mui4 programming tutorials, krashan show these 2 examples :

default
(even default one are gradiented and can use more 4 cols as i see)

test_theme
(that one of course can be not used, and its can be bad looking for someone, but it show powerfull of "no-limitation" when someone make a theme).
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