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tommo1975And it's good bye from me....20110702 17:48
Sadly I'm having to sell my Amiga 1200 and my SAM440ep due to an impending house move - I have way too many computer bit's 'n pieces and needed to sell everything bar my main PC gaming rig as in the new place I simply won't have the room to store it all.

The sale of these items will mean I will exit the Amiga community after only having been back in it for 2 years.

Even sadder perhaps was what a straight forward decision it was to sacrifice my SAM440ep and A1200 - neither of them had been switched on in 6 months+. I guess I became disillusioned with the current state of the Amiga. I'm probably going to be flamed for mentioning the following, but I feel I have to get it off my chest as I've kept my opinions and frustrations to myself for ages about the current state of things and have not posted my views in the various debates in the forums. Here are my reasons for being disillusions with the current Amiga market;

- The length of time it's taken to release update 3 for 4.1 and lack of news as to what was going to be in it (aside from USB2 support - which is 10 years too late)
- The length of time it's taken for X1000 to be released, despite being on show a year ago. There's still no guarantee it'll be released this year either.
- The halt in development of OWB (not the MUI OWB port, which looks promising, but alas is held up by the lack of update 3)
- Little sign of Open Office development.
- Little sign of Timberwolf development. The fact that Firefox development is moving forwards fast and that the developers of Timberwolf promised to port the latest current version to the Amiga, I fear they'll never complete their port.
- Still no Flash player support
- SAM460 being too compromised hardware wise, i.e. you can't have SATA plus graphics card (or something like that, don't recall the exact details off hand) and the lack of sound drivers for OS4.1 for it.

I could go on, but the general gist is that there was little forward momentum in the development of the OS or applications for it. When the X1000 was "launched" last year and then we had news of Open Office, Timberwolf etc I was so excited and happy, but in the last year everything has ground to a halt. While I know there are few developers for Amiga these days, my opinion is that Hyperion wasted their limited resources developing OS4.1 for Classic Amigas, when they needed to be developing for the modern Amiga platforms and keeping the momentum going.

Anyway, should anyone be interested in my Amiga 1200 + 1260 accelerator, or my Blizzard 1230 accelerator or my SAM440EP, they are on sale now on Ebay - message me if you want the links.

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redfoxRe: And it's good bye from me....20110702 22:24  #3230
@tommo1975

I think you have explained the situation well. When we have to make these decisions, it basically comes down to taking the things we use most. I know that if I was moving into a smaller place, it would be a tough decision. My wife and son use Windows machines, I use my MicroA1 more than the other machines in our collection.

As for your sentiments about OS4, OWB, Timberwolf, X1000, SAM460 ... I hear you.

You have to be careful to pick the right video cards for SAM460 if you want to use the PCI slot for a SATA card. Apparently, the heatsink and cooling on some cards makes them wide enough to cover up the PCI slot. There is a list of cards somewhere on Hans's website. Not sure if this information is available elsewhere. Another alternative is to use the "onboard" video chip.

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redfox
hansRe: And it's good bye from me....20110702 23:45  #3231
@tommo1975


tommo1975 wrote:

- SAM460 being too compromised hardware wise, i.e. you can't have SATA plus graphics card (or something like that, don't recall the exact details off hand) and the lack of sound drivers for OS4.1 for it.


I have a Sam460ex here, and it has both a Radeon HD 4650 graphics card, and a SATA card. It's working very well.

Why don't you take a wait and see approach? Update 3 isn't that far off. Or, take a break until AmiWest and see what's announced/demonstrated then.

Hans
markoRe: And it's good bye from me....20110703 03:21  #3233
@tommo1975

:-(
kas1eRe: And it's good bye from me....20110703 10:30  #3234
@tommo1975
Imho, a bit not right time to leave. After all those forums, blogs and updates. In genereal better to sold out retro stuff, keep sam (just for checking update3), and, if update3 + muiowb + usb2 (which confirmed to be in update3 by one of developers (m3x) ) will still not enough, then you can sold out all that stuff easyly. Or , just as opinion, put everything somethere, and forget about everything amiga related for year or two, and after 2 years you can check this out again.

Of course a bid sad that hyperion only now understand the importance of blogs/forums and communication with users, when user base start to shrink. But better now, than never :)
tommo1975Re: And it's good bye from me....20110703 11:26  #3235
@kas1e

Well if the SAM doesn't sell on Ebay (no bids yet) then maybe I can find space for it somehow, somewhere, but the classic Amiga and spare accelerator need to go for certain as there won't be any room in my new place. I also need to sell all my classic Amiga CD's - but will advertise those from Mid July.

My views are that Hyperion dropped the ball and misplayed the X1000 "launch". They needed to "do an Apple" and not announce it until it was just about the launch, instead they launched it, got people hyped, got the announcement into magazines such as PC Plus, advertised that the X1000 would be launched in 2010 and then..... nothing.

As for Update 3, well a few scattered, sometimes vaguely worded comments, in a forum or a blog are useless - they need to make an official announcement with a list if features/enhancements and name a release date and stick to it. Then the guy responsible for MUI OWB can name a date for release, then the Timberwolf guys can name a date for beta release etc etc and momentum can be built again. Alas I don't see that happening.

kas1eRe: And it's good bye from me....20110703 11:41  #3236
@tommo1975


My views are that Hyperion dropped the ball and misplayed the X1000 "launch". They needed to "do an Apple" and not announce it until it was just about the launch, instead they launched it, got people hyped, got the announcement into magazines such as PC Plus, advertised that the X1000 would be launched in 2010 and then..... nothing.


I think the same. MacMini and G5 macs will make a lot more sense. As it cheap and avail everthere. Maybe they already understand that, but what they can do ? Drop it on the half of way ? I think they still should release it, some how to make some profit on it if possilbe, and then just make 2 ports: macmini (for having laptop at last, so developers can works where they want) and those max-perfomed G5 macs. All those Xenas and stuff imho also make no sense..



As for Update 3, well a few scattered, sometimes vaguely worded comments, in a forum or a blog are useless - they need to make an official announcement with a list if features/enhancements and name a release date and stick to it.


Sure, i want that to, but giving any release date its unpossible in any kind of developing. thinks can changes, problems can arrise, and there is choice: releasy a half-working and buggy stuff (for which users will moaning and screaming hard), or just make all better.



Then the guy responsible for MUI OWB can name a date for release


That guy its i am, so i can release it right now. Its just will not works without updated mui which will come in update3. My timeline about mui-owb: releasing after 2-3 days after update3 (just to be sure that all works fine).


then the Timberwolf guys can name a date for beta release etc etc and momentum can be built again. Alas I don't see that happening.


In last time i start to think that Timberworlf will be not released at all in usable form :( And not because i not believe brothers, but because i know how they busy with everything else. But hope to be wrong. That alpha release was interesting, but absolutly non-usable and gui was buggy a lot. That all the reassons why i start to worry about fab's mui-owb : to give aos4 users normal browser at last.

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hansRe: And it's good bye from me....20110703 13:34  #3238
@tommo1975

...they need to make an official announcement with a list if features/enhancements and name a release date and stick to it.


You want a rigid set of features, plus a rigid release date for those features, and have them stick to it? This is software development that we're talking about, so that's just not realistic.

Let us say that Steven gave a list of features and a release date, and then one day before the planned release a really nasty bug is found in one of the features that was listed. What now? If that feature is left out till the next update, you'll complain bitterly; if it is delayed, you'll complain. Leaving the bug in is plain unacceptable.

Software/technology projects hit delays all the time. There is just too much uncertainty in how long things will take. This is especially true for software, where even the mighty IBM has had projects delayed by a year or more with a budget blowout of over $100 million to go with it. My GfxBench2D release was delayed by almost two weeks thanks to some "last-minute" redesigns that were necessary. Fortunately for me, this was a mostly stealth project, so nobody noticed (except for me).

Hans
amigo1Re: And it's good bye from me....20110703 14:52  #3240
@tommo1975

I second kas1e's post.. wait after update 3.. :-)
tommo1975Re: And it's good bye from me....20110703 16:56  #3244
@hans

Actually I work in IT so know a little bit about the difficulties of software releases. :-) However I do believe that after 1 year since update 2 they should have a pretty good idea of what is going to be in Update 3 by now and further, a good idea as to when testing will be finished and the update released. There's nothing stopping them from saying they hope to include X, Y and Z features in update 3 and finish testing by the end of X month. Just because they can't guarantee something, does not mean they should tell us all diddly squat and keep everyone in the dark about what the plans currently are. Even if they told us that they found a major bug which has delayed them by 2 months, I'd still hold out hope of actually seeing it released and be grateful for the update.

@amigo1

Well my SAM is on sale on Ebay and I'm not going to take it off sale as the main reason for it being on sale is lack of space in the new place. If someone doesn't buy it and I'm left with a choice of keeping it or taking it down the tip, then I might find somewhere to keep it, even if that means keeping it in a cupboard somewhere.
mbrantleyRe: And it's good bye from me....20110703 18:09  #3251
@tommo1975

I suggest if you have room for one computer you have room for two, since you can share monitor, keyboard and mouse via a KVM switch. That Sam440ep ought to be small enough to tuck behind something or stack on top of something, right?

Now, if you just don't want to keep it, that's another thing. But it can have a small footprint.
ChrisHRe: And it's good bye from me....20110922 11:00  #3263
@tommo1975
It is a shame you posted this on the "temporary" web site, as I completely missed it.

Anyway, it turns out that (as I expected) your patience was far too short, as just two months after this post of yours:

- The length of time it's taken to release update 3 for 4.1 and lack of news as to what was going to be in it (aside from USB2 support - which is 10 years too late)

Update 3 was released, and we already knew what was going to be in it - mainly bug fixes. But bug fixes are good as Update 3 is very stable in general.

- The halt in development of OWB (not the MUI OWB port, which looks promising, but alas is held up by the lack of update 3)

Writing this on MUI-OWB, and it s VERY nice :)

- Little sign of Timberwolf development. The fact that Firefox development is moving forwards fast and that the developers of Timberwolf promised to port the latest current version to the Amiga, I fear they'll never complete their port.

You should have known better: At the time we knew Timberwolf development was halted until the final release of FF4.0 . Now that has happened, development has restarted, and they have shown screenshots showing the working graphics system (working user input is next, but is hardly difficult compared to what has already been achieved).

Also, Firefox is NOT developing faster than before. They just changed their version numbering system. So 4.1 become 5.0, 4.2 became 6.0, etc. The ONLY reason for this change is so they don't have to worry about supporting older version & so they don't have to avoid breaking plugins.

- SAM460 ... lack of sound drivers for OS4.1 for it.

We've had those for some time now!


Additionally:

- Still no Flash player support

We don't need it. HTML5 will mean we can get video playback without Flash. This is something that MUI-OWB & Timberwolf can look at tackling sooner or later. But until then we have ClipDown as an OK work-around.
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