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328gts

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Today 5:17 #1

Home away from home

I'm ok with AmiCygnix and E-UAE on my X1000 and the most important thing moving forward is to have a modern browser

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smarkusg

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 23:35 #2

Quite a regular

Maybe a cold shower.
PPC is a dead platform. Its limitations have classified it as retro hardware.
There will be no revolution here, only a “dignified death.” This is hardware for enthusiasts.
The history of AOS4 is full support for “68k” programs.
Let this system remain as it was and as we remember it.
All other improvements are welcome.

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Maijestro

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 23:01 #3

Just can't stay away

@xe1huku

Yes, development of AmigaOS 4.1 has been halted

You must have missed that Hyperion released Update 3 at the end of 2025.

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2025-10-00087-EN.html

Of course, further development is uncertain, as already explained by
@kas1e. The most important components of Aos4.1 include AEON (kernel, 3D drivers, Warp3DNova, OGLES), and that is precisely what makes it almost impossible to further develop Aos4.1 in these areas.

AEON does not deal with the x1000/5000 hardware in the form of firmware updates, etc. Unfortunately, the situation is as it is, and I understand that some users are very upset about this.

MacStudio ARM M1 Max Qemu//Pegasos2 AmigaOs4.1 FE / AmigaOne x5000/40 AmigaOs4.1 FE

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xe1huku

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 22:30 #4

Just popping in

Just curious, all talk about this topic, where should OS4 go in the future like OS4 is still developed and is on schedule and rocking (sorry, could not resist). What have I missed, what is the roadmap, is there a team working on OS4? When will next version be available, are we talking.... two more weeks? (sorry again)

Sam440ep/533MHz/512MB/256GB/4.1FE

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Maijestro

Re: AmiQute Challenge 2026

Posted on: Yesterday 21:08 #5

Just can't stay away

I would like to ask again where I can download QT-WebView, or is it not yet publicly available?

MacStudio ARM M1 Max Qemu//Pegasos2 AmigaOs4.1 FE / AmigaOne x5000/40 AmigaOs4.1 FE

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Maijestro

AmigaDiskBench Benchmark SSD/NVME/RAM

Posted on: Yesterday 21:01 #6

Just can't stay away

I'm not sure if I just missed it, but the AmigaDiskBench tool that was recently released on Os4Depot is simply fantastic and up to date. I really like it.

So I thought I'd give this tool a try. I tested it with NGFS/01 Sata SSD, NVME PcI-Express x4, and Ramdisk with my X5000/40.

I used the Bulk Benchmark for this, and maybe the results will be interesting for some of you.

MacStudio ARM M1 Max Qemu//Pegasos2 AmigaOs4.1 FE / AmigaOne x5000/40 AmigaOs4.1 FE

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Maijestro

Re: infinite icons theme pack

Posted on: Yesterday 20:37 #7

Just can't stay away

@DigitalDesigns

Quote:

DigitalDesigns wrote:Hi everyone!

Infinite Icons 1.4 is now released!

This is a free update for anyone who has bought version 1.1, 1.2 or 1.3

- New icons is created 313

- AmigaOS3.2 icons has received an installer and icon switcher
coded by Michael Becker.

This is revolutionary feature for OS3.2 users, working also ApolloOS.

- There is also something new besides icons.

Version 1.4 includes a total of 14 mouse cursors, one for each
color and with two different versions.

Mouse pointer install is not automatic you have todo it manually.

- Several bug fixes to existing icons, see more in the readme file.

This is a good way to start the new year 😊

The product can be found here if you haven't already purchased it:

https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/infiniteicons

This package is really huge, over 2GB

I'm excited to see the mouse pointers....

Thanks anyway for the continuous development and improvement of your product.

What you've really done a great job with is the installer with music and Thump support. May I ask which developer tool you used for that?

MacStudio ARM M1 Max Qemu//Pegasos2 AmigaOs4.1 FE / AmigaOne x5000/40 AmigaOs4.1 FE

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FlynnTheAvatar

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 17:09 #8

Just popping in

If I understand you correctly, you want to separate/sandbox legacy 68k code more than it is done with Petunia now. So, instead that 68k code is directly accessing the system, it should access an emulation layer in the future.

I guess this will break more legacy 68k programs. I cannot imagine that Vinced or tools like GoSnap will work anymore in such an environment.

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MartinW

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 16:56 #9

Not too shy to talk

One thing I should have been clearer about. I'm aware that things progress, but that stuff just doesn't always get out to the users. It's almost like the beta testers are in a different world to the rest of us. At least on a different OS.

Now granted, I know how beta testing works, I'm a development manager after all, but the gap shouldn't be anything like as big of a void as it is with OS4.

Anyway, that's OT I guess.

Amiga x5040 ı 16GB ı RX580
A1200 PiStorm32-Lite CM4

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kas1e

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 16:47 #10

Home away from home

@MartinW
Quote:

I'll be back to OS4 at some point, I'm sure, especially if I start to see movement in releases and improvements so anything that can move things forward is a plus in my eyes.

Now when Ben is kicked off, things seem to be organized and progressing better, and I as a beta tester can say that a lot of updates have happened lately, but, of course, OS4 will always be in a split state: some OS parts are owned by Trevor (kernel, 3D drivers, Warp3DNova, OGLES), and all the remaining ones by Hyperion, and I don't see how one or the other will buy things from the other. So that all makes the release of updates, etc., long overdue. But at least I can see that pretty much progress has happened lately, especially Trixie doing much work on Reaction and co. lately as well (the area many of us have always wanted to improve).

So things will never be easy (and they never were), but at least it is not dead still, that’s for sure. Taking into account that time tells, and many Amiga users have simply passed away and that number will only grow, but we are still here and the OS is still progressing in some way to give some of us a bit of satisfaction.

Join us to improve dopus5!
AmigaOS4 on youtube

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kas1e

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 16:35 #11

Home away from home

@Tuvok
E-UAE today has JIT as well, which is written by the same author, Álmos Rajna, who wrote Petunia. It is even better than Petunia (he added better and more modern tricks in the JIT code compared to how it was when he wrote Petunia). I know this because I talked with him during the process and helped, together with others, to beta test JIT for E-UAE.

So now, from the user’s point of view, all that is important is that when you run a 68k binary, it just has its own window/screen/whatever, just like a real OS4 app. There is no problem whether it is running through Petunia or through E-UAE; both of them have JIT today, and in UAE it is even better. All that is needed is to adapt running things through E-UAE a bit, so it will not show an “E-UAE” window, but will feel the same as it does now, running like a native OS4 app (visually, of course).

So users will have the same experience as now, but the OS itself can finally get rid of things that make it harder to maintain and expand for developers.

It’s not that I want any SMP or 64-bit support—that would not make a big difference anyway today—but at least by ditching the 68k parts from the OS internals in this way, it will simply clean things up and (maybe) prepare for some further expansion

Join us to improve dopus5!
AmigaOS4 on youtube

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OldFart

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 13:09 #12

Just popping in

@MartinW
Quote:

I've just sold my OS4 system.

I hope the new owner has some more luck and stability with it in his/her life and I wish you good times with your guitar purchase.

Quote:

And I won't lie, one reason, but by no means all is that OS4 is just flaky as hell.

Now I'm a user of an X5k since it was first released, heck even my name was on the silkscreen, and I have ALL versions (4) of the OS installed and active. In my experience stability has improved in leaps with every release. And that while I do quite some coding and experimenting with it. So the term 'flaky' comes not in my vocabulary when it is about OS4.1.

I hope that both you, while having the system sold in favour of a guitar purchase and the new owner of your system have good times ahead. Hope to see you again here as an owner of another Amiga system.

OldFart

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328gts

Re: 2026-Feb/March-Bubbelsche Deluxe by EntwicklerX !

Posted on: Yesterday 12:13 #13

Home away from home

@Tuvok

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C16Oli

Re: infinite icons theme pack

Posted on: Yesterday 9:43 #14

Just popping in

@DigitalDesigns
great work!

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OlafS25

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 9:13 #15

Just popping in

@Tuvok

If you want to modernize it is not about turning on / off petunia. "Modern" in todays terms mean 64bit, SMP and MP. And you have to change the API itself. All means 68k integration in current form no longer work and have to be added by emulation. As I understand it currently software that runs system compatible can be installed like on 3.1 and works. That will be no longer possible. 64bit also would mean that you need a kind of 32bit runtime for older apps. As long you stay on PPC. If you make a ISA change emulating PPC will be more challenging.

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Tuvok

Re: 2026-Feb/March-Bubbelsche Deluxe by EntwicklerX !

Posted on: Yesterday 6:57 #16

Just popping in

@328gts

41213

X1000

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Tuvok

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 6:36 #17

Just popping in

@redfox

As far as I know, Petunia "only" does the JIT. It means it speeds up the 68k emulation. Without Petunia the 68k is emulated slower.

I couldn't see Petunia being the culprit of instability on my system. Instead of disabling it entirely, you could add the apps you wish to
to the "Compatibly" Preference in the "JIT" Tab. These programmes are blacklisted and won't use Petunia, but will rely on the slower interpretative emulation.

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328gts

2026-Feb/March-Bubbelsche Deluxe by EntwicklerX !

Posted on: Yesterday 1:16 #18

Home away from home

My apologies for this competitions late start but hey always better late than never eh

For the remainder of Feb and March 2026 we'll be playing Bubbelsche Deluxe by EntwicklerX. It's a very simple game to play where you have to navigate a small bubble through a long, complicated maze without colliding on the game blocks. Manage the bubble as fast and wide as possible without bursting. You have exactly one attempt per game to make it.

You can purchase the game on your OS4.1 machine on AMIStore or Alinea Computer or it's also available at itch.io's site.

The goal is to reach the highest score possible. Please post a screenshot of your high score table below to participate (also note the computer you're playing on). The leader board will be updated regularly.

Please NO CHEATS. Have fun & good luck everyone!

Standings:

1. Tuvok-41,213 (X1000)
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

Edited by 328gts on 2026/2/20 12:12:21

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redfox

Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 0:08 #19

Quite a regular

I thank all the participants in this discussion. As a user who is not fully aware of what goes on under the hood, I appreciate that there could be ways to make the system better. I just don't want to loose the ability to run system friendly 68K programs.

I disabled Kickstart/petunia.library.kmod in my Kicklayout in June 2020 and I have been running my OS4 system without petunia ever since then (5 years and 8 months).

;MODULE Kickstart/petunia.library.kmod

Even with petunia disabled, some magic in OS4 allows me to run the following 68K software:

BackUp software by Daniel Westerberg (onyxsoft)
Final Writer 97
TVPaint
PPaint
Cinema4D-Demo
ARexx
RxMUI
rexxbgui.library
rexxtricks.library
MicroRexx
AWNPipe
SimpleMail
YAM
Newscoaster
AmigaWriterDemo
PostIt (note program)

There are some others but these are the most obvious ones.

I use ARexx and RxMUI daily in my scripts and ARexx programs.

BTW, AmigaOS 4.1 FE Update 3 is very stable on my MicroA1.

---
redfox

Edited by redfox on 2026/2/20 0:27:43

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n3m3

Re: infinite icons theme pack

Posted on: 2/19 19:26 #20

Just popping in

@DigitalDesigns

Quote:

DigitalDesigns wrote:Hi everyone!

Infinite Icons 1.4 is now released!

This is a free update for anyone who has bought version 1.1, 1.2 or 1.3

- New icons is created 313

- AmigaOS3.2 icons has received an installer and icon switcher
coded by Michael Becker.

This is revolutionary feature for OS3.2 users, working also ApolloOS.

- There is also something new besides icons.

Version 1.4 includes a total of 14 mouse cursors, one for each
color and with two different versions.

Mouse pointer install is not automatic you have todo it manually.

- Several bug fixes to existing icons, see more in the readme file.

This is a good way to start the new year ?

The product can be found here if you haven't already purchased it:

https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/infiniteicons

Sweet! Already downloading.

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