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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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@FlynnTheAvatar

Quote:
VinCED (because CON is seriously buggy)


clearly, we need better debug tools. I’m working on something.

(NutsAboutAmiga)

Basilisk II for AmigaOS4
AmigaInputAnywhere
Excalibur
and other tools and apps.
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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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FlynnTheAvatar wrote:Sorry, I do not see the benefit of having an "Amiga NG" with an "Amiga OS" that does not support 68k programs.

I personally use a lot of 68k programs that have no PPC port:
- CubicIDE
- ArtEffect
- StormC 4
- IMP3
- AmIRC
- VinCED (because CON is seriously buggy)


Uou are right, I forgot CubicIDE. I am using it too, but more often I am using Lite-XL. It is not IDE, but is very useful. I also ordered StormC5ED.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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Sorry, I do not see the benefit of having an "Amiga NG" with an "Amiga OS" that does not support 68k programs.

I personally use a lot of 68k programs that have no PPC port:
- CubicIDE
- ArtEffect
- StormC 4
- IMP3
- AmIRC
- VinCED (because CON is seriously buggy)

And no, running them in UAE is not an option for me.

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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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redfox wrote:Software compatibility with 68K software was the main reason I purchased my OS4 system way back in 2004.


My reason to buy AmigaNG was need for more power, my last Amiga - A4000T with CyberstormPPC was simply too slow for daily work. In 2003 I purchased Pegasos 2 with MorphOS and in 2013 AmigaOne X1000 with AmigaOS4. I have never regretted it. I used them for daily work many years.
All old great 68k games I am running with E-UAE.
The only 68k application I am using often is NetFS on AmigaOS4. Morphos NetFS is native, so I don't need it here.

Compatibility with 68k application was great in time of MorphOS 1.3, where was no native network stack. But today it is practically not needed.
Of course, compatibility with system friendly 68k app is not bad.
More important for me is to have near-modern web browser, IMAP email client, Excel/Calc and Word/Writer compatible apps. And multicore would be useful. That's enough for it to be my daily work system.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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Software compatibility with 68K software was the main reason I purchased my OS4 system way back in 2004. It allows me to run Final Writer 97, TVPaint, PPaint and ARexx. Some of my other software only works under emulation with E-UAE running on OS4.

So I have a few questions ...

If we get rid of 68K compatibility, where are the software products that will replace our old favourites?

Are there actually programmers willing to do the work?

I am not a developer or a beta tester. I'm just a regular user.

Here is a snapshot of the software I use most on OS4:

NotePad
Multiview
Final Writer 97
IgnitionOS4 spreadsheet
TVPaint
PPaint
AmiDVD
IBrowse Web Browser
NetSurf Web Browser
Odyssey Web Browser
Soliton MUI-based card game
Many ARexx based scripts and programs

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redfox
MicroA1
AmigaOS 4.1 FE Update 3
Enhancer Software Core Edition

I purchased Enhancer Software V1.5 and Enhancer Software V2.2
but currently have installed only Enhancer Core, AmiDVD,
SmartFileSystem v1.293 and diskcache.library.


Edited by redfox on 2026/2/17 0:00:57
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Re: X5000 Uboot variable for displaying different boot partitions
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@johnfante

Great that we succeded in finding it!

Best regards,

Niels

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Re: clean way howto use clib4
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@sailor

Thank you for using it. Any feedback (and help..) is always appreciated

i'm really tired...
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Re: clean way howto use clib4
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@walkero @afxgroup @elfpipe and others
BIG THANKS for your work on clib4

now working with SPE FPU is much easier.
Calling functions with SPE FP parameters (like printf %f) works great!

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X5000 Uboot variable for displaying different boot partitions
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@nbache

It was amigaboot_quiet=n that need to be reset. Was set to y.

Thank you!

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Re: auraFly got an update
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The new version of aurafly 1.20 also does not work well on AROS.

The Image buttons are not present in the GUI, and if you use the AROS 32bit and Vmware preset tabs multiple times, they crash.

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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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I think compatibility with 68k HUNK binaries is mandatory, given how much of the original software library does not have source code available

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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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Amigans Defender


Decreasing the compatibility IS THE ONLY SOLUTION to move forward. You want to use 60k softfware? use EUAE

i'm really tired...
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Re: Betatest ticklish - ToDo List ;-)
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Not too shy to talk


16th February: Found a bug concerning today list. Local today list will not be written to server, if tody list on server is 0 Byte in size...thinking about a smart solution....

Other than that, I am testing Android version on different devices....using AOS 3.x. No bad bugs found until now...

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Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?
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There is a topic about selling a system where someone said decreasing 68k compatiblity of OS4.1 is a good thing. I was really surprised about that view. Decreasing compatiblity means less software works. For me that is only justified if at the same time new different software is added, f.e. it is easier to get modern ports. A operating system is the base, not more and not less. People use a computer to run software, be it for entertainment or doing serious things.

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Re: A1200NG motherboard appears at AmigaKit
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The following software updates for the A600GS and A1200NG have been uploaded through the in-built live update system. They are available to download for all registered AmiSphere users:

46.2.1402 (13.02.2026):


A600GS/A1200NG System Menu:

* Expand information in System/General Tab

* Add Motherboard memory options to Customise Memory settings, allows up to 64MB extra FAST memory without the conflict with extended amounts of CHIP memory. Useful for customs systems or games that might be more demanding on resources.

* Update built in ROMS to version 51.51 build date 2026-01-28

AmiBench:

* Add SYS:Documentation drawer icon. Put this drawer in browser mode to facilitate descending into sub-drawers without leaving excessive windows open.

* Fix bug with Browser mode updates, that could result in wrong fonts and backgrounds being used when navigating the history.

* The built-in datatype image class now caches images in memory and uses the DTST_MEMORY source type, this avoids clutter in T: whilst still allowing dynamic update of theme imagery.

SystemV46:

* Update regina.library to latest versions as of 2026-01-29 (no version number changes) fixes by the AROS team enhance compatibility and STDIO handling. SAY now writes to the shell window as do runtime errors.

* Update ASL.library to 50.10 (01/12/2026)

* Update ZUNE muimaster.library and classes.

* Update filesysbox.library to 54.8

* Add example SSHFS mount file in SYS:Storage/DOSDrivers. Copy this file into DEVS:DIOSDrivers and edit for easy secure file exchange via sftp backend.

* Add EditPad - a rapidly developing simple text editor.

* Add S:InstallLHA S:Install7z and S:InstallNDK32 helper scripts to assist in installing some useful software via the web.

AmiPDF 46.16:

* Add Menu->Projects->Iconify and minimal ARexx port (QUIT only supported at present more to come)

AmiBrowser 46.37:

* Add Navigation menu with Back Forward and Home, Projects->Iconify menu.
* Add Privacy->Delete All Cookies menu item to clear all cookies.
* Add ARexx port with support for QUIT, OPEN, GET and GO functions.

GO TARGET/K,N/N,BACK/S,FORWARD/S,HOME/S
OPEN URL/A,TARGET/K,RELOAD/S,POST/K,SMART/S
GET ITEM/A,TARGET/K
TARGET is the ID number of a Window, may later be a frame name too.

GET ITEM supports URL and WINDOWID (which can then be used as target)

RELOAD,POST and SMART are not yet implemented but planned soon.

* When closing AmiBench from the AmiBench menu it will attempt to shutdown any instances of YAM, AmiBrowser and AmiPDF before exiting, to help ensure data security.

Programs:

* Add VBCC distribution by kind permission of the authors. By default it is setup for compiling std c library programs but by installing ether 3.5 3.9. 3.2 SDKs in Programs:Programming/NDK it will automatically enable compiling for AmigaOS 3.xx

* The provided helper script S:InstallNDK32 will fetch and install the 3.2 NDK from Aminet.

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Re: NEW AMIGA BOOK: Bootblock Rebels - The Hidden Stars of the Amiga Underground
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Amiga Bill recommends Bootblock Rebels:






=> Bootblock Rebels has been selected by Kickstarter as a Project We Love.


Support the campaign:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitman/bootblock-rebels

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Re: X5000 Uboot variable for displaying different boot partitions
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@LyleHaze

Okay, so this is on X1000. Above we were discussing X5000.

But on my X1000, I have this:

MENU_1_COMMAND=boot -fs=amigafs ide0.0:amigaboot.of

This does show me the selection list of volumes to boot from (created by AmigaBoot).

I don't use the "setenv os4_bootdevice auto" bit on my X1000, because there I have one big Kicklayout file with multiple configs, each corresponding to its own subdir in the Kickstart dir, and with a BootDevice module in each config to tell it from which volume to boot WB.

So essentially I have the same as yours, and it works here.

Best regards,

Niels

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Re: X5000 Uboot variable for displaying different boot partitions
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Not too shy to talk


This is all right on target for me.
Affected machine is X1000, I could no longer select the boot volume.

And I'm not quite fixed yet.

Here's what I have now:
8.WB:> nvgetvar MENU_3_LABEL
Boot Select Menu
8.WB:> nvgetvar MENU_3_COMMAND
setenv os4_bootdevice auto; boot -fs=amigafs ide0.1:amigaboot.of

This goes off to a boot select screen that never shows a menu, just a short delay before telling me that I get my default boot volume, which is presumably ide0.1

Yes, I'm too clumsy today, I'm not anxious to break my primary machine. So what should my MENU_3_COMMAND look like to get the selection menu?

And yes, I think this was broken by an update, I'm not sure which one.


Many Thanks for a helpful community,
Lyle

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Re: X5000 Uboot variable for displaying different boot partitions
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@nbache

Thank you. Will try when I get a minute.

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Polls
Running AmigaOS 4 on?
AmigaOne SE/XE or microA1 12% (26)
Pegasos2 3% (8)
X5000 22% (48)
X1000 14% (30)
A1222 8% (19)
Sam 440/460 18% (40)
Classic PowerPC Amiga 2% (6)
WinUAE emulation 7% (16)
Qemu emulation 9% (21)
Total Votes: 214
The poll closed at 2025/12/1 12:00
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