@Rob

Good luck with your re-installation, don't panic if the cpu doesn't fire up first time, you may need to power down the dip switches first.

@spotUP

re:Agar

Well, I know right now that the file selector wouldn't work on AmigaOS due to it being unaware of Amiga paths. There are some features that don't work without OpenGL. And, lastly, it tries to build the manpages even if you tell it not to.

@Curty

This is really sweet.. can't wait to get the new TN with skin support.

RWO

@DonF

I don't know if it will help, but you might want to research Pentti Kouri.

@Samurai_Crow

Great that you are working on Agar! Keep us updated on your progress!
I had a stab at it a while ago myself, i managed to configure it from abc-shell with some tweaks I think, I don't remember what went wrong, it probably required some actual code heh ;)

@DonF

did you join 3cag recently ?

If so then I'm sorry but I suspect we deleted your account.

The reason is as follows..

We are being hammered by spammers and if a new account is created that doesn't have too much info on it... And that person is not in UK... We suspect its a spam account.
So apologies if thats what has occurred to your account.


It's Just that your name rang a bell... I/we dont just delete willy nilly.

@Raziel

Yeah I guess I was one of the first ones. I hope Jack's is on its way too, I've been sans OS4 sine November but Jack has been waiting even longer.

Gotta find some nuts and bolts to secure the module to the board, the plastic ones seem to have got lost somewhere along the line. Good excuse to get something better.

@ssolie

Hmm, it seems that Hyperion have decided to play rough. Somebody mentioned (asked) if the 2 lawsuits would be combined. My understanding is that is what usually happens, but I don't think it has to necessarily be the case. I think it requires the consent of both parties. In this instance, it may be to Hyperion's advantage to have separate trials; Amiga Inc has requested a jury trial, and their lawyers seemed to emphasize emotional arguments, but without a great deal of actual substance. Hyperion's lawyer stressed the actual legalities (non-emotionally), and that was correct in front of a judge. I think they have a better opportunity if they have individual trials, with their lawsuit being heard only by a judge.

Like several others, I am just so sorry it has come to this. I also think both AI and Hyperion started out with the best intentions, but it started to go wrong right off. I'm not personally into the games bit, but can understand that AI believed there wasn't really a substantial business in the desktop, and the AmigaDE games seemed a good choice. I give them credit for having (allowing) Hyperion to proceed on the desktop end. But why did they then seem to screw them at every opportunity. I just don't understand.

Emotionally, I hope Hyperion win and get the "whole thing". Not because of anything they (the company) have necessarily done well, but because we have this great AOS4 -- thanks to the developers.

Hyperion becoming the owner of Amiga trademarks, etc. also worries me. I'm having a real problem imagining them as a "real" business. They appear to have a real problem communicating, especially with partners -- of course, it does require 2 parties to communicate. If they ever had a real business plan, one that was reviewed and updated on a regular schedule, I fail to discern it. They should have insisted on contract changes when circumstances changed. If Hyperion gets all of the Amiga rights, what will they do with it? I have this terrible fear that in a few years we will be once again having this discussion -- but then with Hyperion being the bad character. I just don't think Hyperion is prepared to deal with this.

If the Amiga computer is to continue, it is going to require a company with some money and some business sense. Money for making deals and advertising and paying developers (and office staff). Business sense because they have to plan things and schedule things. And they have to review and change the plan. They have to look beyond the desktop -- the desktop ALONE isn't a viable market. They will have to partner with other companies, and communicate with those partners. They will have to find buyers, and communicate with them. They will have to keep developers on-board, pay them and communicate with them. I think Hyperion is a small mom-and-pop type of company, and find it hard to imagine them functioning as a big company.

Incidentally, I feel the same is true of Amiga Inc. If the Amiga is to continue, it needs a real company that knows exactly what needs to be done in a business sense.

It is so sad to it come to this, with no real solution in sight.

Regards,
Don Feldbruegge

@Rob

Congrats!

It's interesting enough, to be sure.
I wish it didn't have to happen, but finding SOME resolution is better than spending eternity in limbo.

While my own contribution to OS4 is very minor, this entire drama has just made me very happy that I gave it freely, without any hope of getting paid.

I'll just hope that solving these legal issues leads us to a better future.

Hey, I can hope, can't I??

LyleHaze

@Outcast

LOL! You are an asset to this site, because nobody manages better to lighten up the mood and make people laugh when there is tension in the air!

@Billsey

Quote:

I highly doubt your post was deleted because it was pro-AI.
In this whole thing, I am on the side of Hyperion and you know what? Also my post in reply to derfs was deleted. So you can hardly say that there is a bias.

I have no idea why my post was deleted and didn't even get an explanation via PM. Maybe this post will also get deleted again for reasons I am not aware of.
To be honest, I don't mind the moderation, I just don't like that there is no way to find out the reason for moderation. A short comment or note wouldn't harm, don't you think?

Hi @Paul

I agree with you. The A1-XE/G4 didn't get here by a puff of smoke. EyeTech, AI, and Hyperion got it together somehow! I see the corporate management of it all fell apart? Y/N ?

How would you feel about updating from Amiga OS 4.0 to Hyperion OS 4.1 according to legalities of API. This is not good.

@goody

No coke to go with the popcorn? You are just being tight

@Billsey

Quote:
I don't agree that the forum is anti-AI. The Anti-AI crowd is just noisier than the pro AI side. I would say most of us are sitting on the sideline eating popcorn and watching the show. Because a show is what it is. It is kind of like poker. The only thing we know is what the two sides want to us to know.

Relax and have some popcorn...
/me passes the popcorn

@Rob

Superb service, so if you dont mind asking how much did it come to for the work after?
(Thats just incase I ever need to get mine fixed!!!)

@orgin

Damn..



Does that mean my flag waving, Effigy burning day cant go ahead ?

Strewth...

Need another excuse for a party now !!

@Billsey

No one is modding you Billsey.

I did notice... Funnily enough though... That in "The Reg's" news post about Tao going bust.. Two comments from former Tao employees have been deleted.

Toes being stepped on ?

From personal experience (my employer being taken over) I know that the transfer of debts needed to be negotiated into the take over. Now, since the transfer of debts needed to be negotiated into the take over, it necessarily follows that debts need not be transfered as part of a take over, or those negotiations would not have been necessary at all.

Just because a company gets taken over does not mean that the buyer took on their debts as well. Frequently that is not the case.

Earlier I posted this same information in this thread, and the post disappeared; no PMed explanation, no "edited/moderated by", just no more post, so maybe it happened by accident. However, since the leaning on this forum seems to be going decidedly anti-AI, I kind of doubt that it was by accident.