It's the secret global conspiracy to turn the UK into a member of our family of metrics. Now that you know you can't turn back. Don't resist...it won't hurt...
Don't worry, the bulgarian locale is borked too. When selecting bulgarian and typing cyrilic it produces characters, which only people with AmigaOS 4 can read, but not the folks on the IRC, so I had to make my own keyboard with the correct letters produced acordingly.
Don't worry, the bulgarian locale is borked too. When selecting bulgarian and typing cyrilic it produces characters, which only people with AmigaOS 4 can read, but not the folks on the IRC, so I had to make my own keyboard with the correct letters produced acordingly.
Its IMHO not the problem of OS4 but the problem of either your IRC client which fails to tell the outer world that you are using ISO-8859-5 or the problem of the IRC clients of the other folks which dont know how to convert ISO-8859-5 to their current system default charset.
When you need a bulgarian language driver with a different charset than ISO-8859-5, read Charsets.doc, this will explain you that the only other option is Amiga-1251. KOI8-R or windows-1251 cant be used as system default charset. But IMHO ISO-8859-5 should be supported by more IRC clients in the outer world than Amiga-1251.
the swedish locale is broken too. right amiga + . does not clean up icons. i am 95% sure it's broken in some other places too, but i never use it due it's broken nature, so i don't quite remember.
Can OS4 no longer cope with our weird system of using both metric and imperial measurements depending on the context? Chris
It never could but it was worse before as it kept on using old fashioned imperial units like Farenheight, BTUs and other things no one uses anymore.
If it could cope with contextual units like pints and miles but keep units like cm where appropriate it would be great. But it can't.
On the whole unless you are over 90 I think the metric settng is more relevant in the UK, after all anyone who did any science at school will tend to use metric units anyway.
Only in the USA do they still insist on using old "British" units in the modern era
Bill.
Added later: Almost forgot. Download CountryEdit from Aminet, you can then set a lot of things manually, I did that when I found previous versions of Locale forced me to use Imperial units, so changed them myself.
As your are speaking of keyboards here, I'll ask you to explain how I can do to obtain the character '~' in CubicIDE : I've noticed that the character won't be issued under the editor while it's being displayed and i can copy/paste an existing one where I want. (BTW, I'm using a french keyboard with euro where the character is a dead key you can acces using Alt+2 then space. I have to mention that it's working in the shell, does the programmer have something to setup/do ?)
As your are speaking of keyboards here, I'll ask you to explain how I can do to obtain the character '~' in CubicIDE: I've noticed that the character won't be issued under the editor while it's being displayed and i can copy/paste an existing one where I want. (BTW, I'm using a french keyboard with euro where the character is a dead key you can acces using Alt+2 then space. I have to mention that it's working in the shell, does the programmer have something to setup/do ?)
You are probably talking about KEYMAPS:f_ISO-8859-15. When I look at this file it tells me that you can type a tilde by typing <Shift><SuperScriptTwo> and that the SuperScriptTwo key is the key just below the Escape key.
Other possibilities are typing <DeadTilde> plus <Space>. The french keyboard has two DeadTilde keys, the first is <Alt><eAcute> which you described, the second is <Alt><J>.
When CubicIDE (I dont have that) doesnt work with your DeadTilde deadkey, its IMHO very likely that it doesnt work with any deadkey at all. To test that, the default deadkeys for Amiga keyboards, as described in Documentation/Keymaps.doc on the OS4Final CD, are
and with ISO-8859-1 or -15 as system default charset those five default deadkeys should all affect e.g. an "a" typed after them. When CubicIDE doesnt work with such deadkeys its author should have a second look at the MapRawKey() autodoc, maybe something is called wrong.
On the whole unless you are over 90 I think the metric settng is more relevant in the UK, after all anyone who did any science at school will tend to use metric units anyway.
Only in the USA do they still insist on using old "British" units in the modern era [/quote]
Er... no. :)
You need both. After all, what's the national speed limit in this country? 60 miles per hour. That's one very obvious use of Imperial measurements, but there are others....
I know my weight is about 8.5 stone. No idea in Kg. But if I pick up an object I'll always estimate it in g or Kg.
I know my height is about 5'10" - 5'11"... but my pace is approximately a metre.
Ah, the joys of being British. And people say we're idiosyncratic.... strange.....
You need both. After all, what's the national speed limit in this country? 60 miles per hour. That's one very obvious use of Imperial measurements, but there are others....
Yes but how many applications use Locale to use distances in miles or kilometers ? Most applications used on a computer deal with inches or cm.
One exception may be GB Route but then the miles are hardcoded in and do not use locale !
Likewise in Digital Universe distances are in light years as using mm for the distances of astronomical objects would be rather silly.
Most applications when using units out of everyday range, eg inches or cm, will use the approproate units hardcoded, it is just ones using locale that can give the wrong results.
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I know my weight is about 8.5 stone. No idea in Kg. But if I pick up an object I'll always estimate it in g or Kg.
Likewise, I know my weight in stones but when buying food or anything else always work in metric - confusing isn't it
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Ah, the joys of being British. And people say we're idiosyncratic.... strange.....
I am trying to recall the unit that was once obvioulsy wrong when using an aplication with the UK locale, I can deal with both systems quite happily.
It must have been something involving temperature and Farenheight which was peculier. No one under the age of my long deceased granny uses F for temperatures in the UK now.
Thank you for your quick answer, I didn't even of a french keyboard having as many tilde In fact on the keyboard I'm using right now at work, the only one which is mentionned is the one on the eacute key, my <superscripttwo> mention just that (the superscript two), like my 'j' key that mention only the 'j'... About the combining possibilities I'll check but I would have sworn that I already used the dead circ combinated with e to produce the eCirc (ê).
BTW CubicIDE can be tried using the demo version from the author's site.
Its IMHO not the problem of OS4 but the problem of either your IRC client which fails to tell the outer world that you are using ISO-8859-5 or the problem of the IRC clients of the other folks which dont know how to convert ISO-8859-5 to their current system default charset.
The client can't tell anyone which charset it's using since there is no such thing as a charset in IRC. Both the sender and receiver have to set the same charset manually in their clients to be able to see what the other wrote.
The only exception is that some of the better IRC clients have UTF-8 auto detection and display UTF-8 encoded texts correctly even if you configure it to a 7 or 8 bit charset (which it still uses for sending your texts) instead of UTF-8.
Since there is no support for charsets in IRC there are only 2 settings which make sense, even if nearly all IRC clients (except the ones on AmigaOS which all simply use whatever your current charset is) allow you to set them to any charset: US-ASCII and UTF-8.
Thanks for telling me, didnt assume anybody could be able to design such a protocol and to forget to support different charsets. It seems everything is possible And you just outed me, yes, I've never used IRC.
@DrHirudo
Please test if IRC in cyrillic works better when you select "Russian (Euro sign)" as preferred language in the Locale prefs editor and use the normal ISO-8859-5 bulgarian keymap. If yes, you need a bulgarian language driver in Amiga-1251 charset which is more similar to windows-1251 (probably used by your chat partners) than to ISO-8859-5. If not, please ask your chat partners about their charset.
...but i never use it due it's broken nature, so i don't quite remember.
Guys, if you spot a problem please tell somebody about it and don't just ignore the problem. This kind of stuff is very complex and detailed so it is impossible to get it 100% correct without some help from the users. So if you see any more problems please email Detlef directly and whatever you do, don't just ignore it and hope it will gets fixed.
In fact on the keyboard I'm using right now at work, the only one which is mentionned is the one on the eacute key, my <superscripttwo> mention just that (the superscript two),
Utilities/KeyShow should show you how OS4 expects a PC keyboard to look like. I've never seen a french PC keyboard, only the MicroSoft keyboard layout web pages, I wondered why there is no non-dead tilde on the french keyboard and no character at Shift-SuperScriptTwo so I've added a tilde there for convenience...
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like my 'j' key that mention only the 'j'...
Well, ask Commodore why all their keymaps had those standardized deadkeys but none of their keyboards had them printed on the keycaps... I've just tried to be backwards compatible here.
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About the combining possibilities I'll check but I would have sworn that I already used the dead circ combinated with e to produce the eCirc (?).
BTW CubicIDE can be tried using the demo version from the author's site.
Just tried MicroGoldEd, it supports deadkeys but it doesnt support deadkeys followed by space, it handles space as a special key, it has config options for the special keys, ask Dietmar why a space bar is a non-deadable special key in MicroGoldEd, IMHO thats a bad idea. This breaks compatibility to nearly all existing OS3 and OS4 keymaps.
Thank you for looking at MicroGoldED, I'll try to contact Dietmar, I've had contact with him in the past, hope he could guide me for this.
About the tilde on the superscript key, that's really strange because I've never seen that on french PC keyboard, I've just done a quick review of the nearly 40 PC french keyboards we have here at my work and did not saw any with this tilde thing. Moreover, are you saying that on a PC using shift+superscript should produce a tilde ? I've tested on this XP box and that's not the case... Very strange, I'll try to see if I can find some information about that.
PS: I'm not trully honest with you, all keyboards I reviewed only had superscript on this key, except two keyboards : one had a 'n' printed above the superscript sign, and the other was the worst of all and just put the ecute key at this place giving the following layout : ecute (+numer 2), superscript, arobas (+number 1), quotaion mark(+numer 3), and then normal layout
Yes but how many applications use Locale to use distances in miles or kilometers ? Most applications used on a computer deal with inches or cm.
Wet does.. that's where I noticed it. It treats MS_BRITISH as the weird mixed system we use, MS_ISO is fully metric and MS_AMERICAN and MS_IMPERIAL are both fully olde worlde.
I can break things down here so that eg. temperatures are in Celsius, long distances are in miles and short distances are in metres. Of course, that is worthless if the UK locale is telling me to only use metric units.
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