Christmas 2006 OS4 has finally gone gold. It was the last update for AmigaOS 4.0. What next? Will Hyperion develop it further so that we can play with OS 4.1 around Christmas 2007 and OS 4.2 around Christmas 2008?
Can there be a coexistence of OS4.1 from Hyperion and OS5 from Amiga Inc? What do you think about Bill McEwen's announcement of AmigaOS5? Do you think this is for real or only a lie? On which CPU and OS architecture might it be based? What is the future path of AmigaOS? Is there a long-term strategy to make it profitable for Hyperion or Amiga Inc? I think a shrink-wrapped AmigaOS that is not bundled with hardware will be the right way for Hyperion to make a lot of sales. Port AmigaOS 4 or 5 to the Playstation 3 and it will sell like hot cakes! Yummy!
I know that we can't predict the future, nobody has that crystal ball! But at least we can speculate and dream of nice stuffs.
@Helge First of all, "OS5" is to be renamed and it is not just another point release in the same product line as AmigaOS. Think of "OS5" as a competing technology like AmigaAnywhere instead. Not simply a continuation of the AmigaOS product.
As for what is next that depends on the managers and owners now. Somebody needs to take the lead and give us a public road map for where AmigaOS is going next. Perhaps it is still too early for such a road map. Without new and complete systems available for sale there really isn't much point in talking about the future when the present hasn't been taken care of yet.
As for what is next that depends on the managers and owners now. Somebody needs to take the lead and give us a public road map for where AmigaOS is going next. Perhaps it is still too early for such a road map. Without new and complete systems available for sale there really isn't much point in talking about the future when the present hasn't been taken care of yet.
Yes, we need a clone of JMiner or maybe Carl S. can help once new Hardware with os4 on it comes out.
I don't see porting to ps3 being so smart. In a couple of years it will be abandoned for ps4 or similar. And to me os5 seems to be something clever that came out of a happy night with lots of %.
ssolie wrote: @Helge First of all, "OS5" is to be renamed and it is not just another point release in the same product line as AmigaOS. Think of "OS5" as a competing technology like AmigaAnywhere instead. Not simply a continuation of the AmigaOS product.
Yes I have read somewhere that OS5 is only a moniker while the OS is in development. Maybe you are right and OS5 is a technology similar or superior to AmigaAnywhere and it will be mainly used for mobiles, PDAs and other stuffs. A competing product to OS4 from Hyperion does not make sense IMHO. They should better support Hyperion in their efforts and support a continuation of the current path.
@Adept
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Yes, we need a clone of JMiner or maybe Carl S. can help once new Hardware with os4 on it comes out.
You are right, in the beginning Amiga had a lot of visionary people with a long-term strategy and high goals. The problem is that there are much less of these peoples these days. It's a problem not only with Amiga, but with IT in general. But Amiga has become small, so we should be happy with smaller things and achievements. Every small tool and developer counts!
@Antique
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I don't see porting to ps3 being so smart. In a couple of years it will be abandoned for ps4 or similar.
Yes, but we need to start somewhere. And IMHO it is best to start with hardware that is fast and that many peoples already own. Did you also say something similar when the AmigaOne was announced? It's not worth porting to it because in a couple of years Articia will be obsolete or Eyetech will not continue to sell them? I think the future of PPC for high-speed computing lies in the Cell. The PS3 architecture is a very good start. Never say never, Amiga Inc and Hyperion have already spoken positive about the PS3 so it could happen soon. Sometimes strange thing happen. Or would you have thought 3 years ago that a Microsoft employee demonstrates Vista on an x86 based iMac (shown today on Norwegian television)? Life offers many surprises for us, that's why it doesn't get boring.
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And to me os5 seems to be something clever that came out of a happy night with lots of %.
I hope you are not saying that he is an alcoholic? I know that he was a truck driver, but not all truck drivers dring a lot of alcohol!
Well, thanks... so you think I can't handle future kernel development ?
I think the kernel is in very capable hands myself. It still amazes me how you were able to find a way to extend it (virtual address space/slab allocator/resource tracking/etc.) while essentially retaining backwards compatibility. These features are the foundations of great things to come even if some people may not realize that. I know I'm looking forward to what you'll come up with next!
The days of visionaries (back in the 1980s) are gone, just as the all-knowing Dr. Mack who looks after the village in the mountains has gone, just as the garage mechanic who could fix any car has gone.
These days software and hardware development is so specialised (as is medicine or automotive engineering) that no single person can possibly make as much impact as a qualified, trained team of experts.
We are lucky to have some qualified experts working on OS4. We could use a whole lot more, but spare us from the experts of the 1980s. These days we need experts of the 2000s.
I think what's going on here is that people are wishing for something that might illicit a reaction similar to how some people reacted when Yes put out "The Yes Album" back in 1970 or 1971. To wit: "Woah! What is that?!!!
No pressure, though!
@others
There is something that still bothers me when I see people spouting accusations of lying against people that they do not know and likely have never met. As an example, I sat back for years while various and sundry accused Bill McEwen of lying about the condition of Amiga, Inc., all the while looking over at my collection of audio CDs including those burned from an Internet shoutcast during which he freely volunteered how bad things were for the company. I still have those CDs. We all need to govern ourselves and reexamine our own level of knowledge before we accuse.
For my own part, I long for Amiga, as I don't have a working Amiga right now, nor do I have the money to purchase one when they do become available again. The nearest possibility for me is AROS, if I can ever get my other PC working (people seem to have developed a habit of giving me machines that they no longer use ). I look at new machines these days?with hulked out specs relative to what I'm used to?and I wonder, "If only Amiga had those specs under the hood. Oh! what fun that would be!"
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I think what's going on here is that people are wishing for something that might illicit a reaction similar to how some people reacted when Yes put out "The Yes Album" back in 1970 or 1971. To wit: "Woah! What is that?!!!
No pressure, though!
What a beautyfull way to explane the feeling. this is excactly what most of us wish, i think.
These days software and hardware development is so specialised (as is medicine or automotive engineering) that no single person can possibly make as much impact as a qualified, trained team of experts.
Well said. Everything is much more specialised these days. Gone are the days when a teenage bedroom coder could write a game for the ZX Spectrum and became a millionaire from it. Without any doubt the development and engineering has become much more complex. Not only in software, but also in hardware design. When I said visionary, I meant somebody in the background who has a higher goals, who made long-term plans and who can envision what Amiga might be like in 5-10 years. Somebody to steer things in the right direction. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy with what we have and achieved. It is a tremendous achievment!
@Billsey
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As an example, I sat back for years while various and sundry accused Bill McEwen of lying about the condition of Amiga, Inc., all the while looking over at my collection of audio CDs including those burned from an Internet shoutcast during which he freely volunteered how bad things were for the company. I still have those CDs. We all need to govern ourselves and reexamine our own level of knowledge before we accuse.
How right you are. On the internet, it's easy to call somebody a "liar", but do these people really have the guts to do that when they would meet Mr. McEwen in person? I doubt it!
I am very interested in your collection of audio CDs, is there any way to upload the shoutcast somewhere, maybe your homepage?
Do you think the musically "robotomized" masses could handle those screaming steel guitar riffs from Master Howe?
I do have to admit, though, that I could see something similar to those iPod commercials coming off quite well, only have it being done on the One.
Alternatively, we could do something like those hoidy-toidy Infinity commercials, having the hip-looking stuffed shirt describing the benefits of using "the One"; the twist here being that he flips the Miggy on at the start of the commercial, and by the end of that thirty second commercial, "the One" (as he would refer to it the whole time) is booted and in use. He walks in and as he begins talking to you he flips the power switch on, briefly describing some feature or other, and as the commercial is about to end he excuses himself and starts using "the One." As this is going on, there is a small scrolling text running across the bottom or top of the screen saying that there is no trick photography in use, that this is the actual cold boot time for an Amiga One.
Of course, instead of the hip-looking stuffed shirt, we could use the Apple guy's younger, smarter brother.
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The PC guy does his usual fumbling and bumbling; the Apple guy is trying to be nice to him, and his younger brother comes in and embarrasses both of them by turning on and using his Miggy One while their "commercial" goes on in front of him. At the end of the commercial Apple guy chases younger brother out.
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Do you think the musically "robotomized" masses could handle those screaming steel guitar riffs from Master Howe? :
Maybe not. But then not many of the robotomized masses use Amigas either
In my area I think I may be the only one left still using Amigas, I am definately the "Owner of a Lonely Amiga".
Hopefully if new hardware comes about a few more can try out Hyperion's "Wonderous Coding". But at the moment the Amiga situation just seems to go round and around like a huge "Roundabout" and we are all waiting so long on this "Long Distance Runaround".
Until then I guess we will just have to read all those "Tales of Topographic Speculation" on AWN
Bill.
PS. Anyone too young to know of YES will be totally confused, so please ignore the above :o)
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