This is a trend that I hope the "powers that be" have noticed. We have a small number of talented developers, but that pool keeps growing smaller, many of which leave due to frustration over behavior of Hyperion or A-EON -r AmigaKit.
It is a classic case of being a "penny wise, pound foolish" when it comes to behavior over issues of control and ownership, driving away the people who do that actual work. And it drives away users as well. Every year at AmiWest I've attended we have a new list of things that have happened and people it drove away. If this continues the center cannot hold.
Just food for thought.
-- eliyahu
"Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. When the laws do not operate, there is no reality. All of this is unreal."
I am surprised I am still playing in this Next Gen Amiga sandbox to be truthful.
So many times I see things that frustrate me and I prepare to move on, but then stick around because of friendships I have found during my 15+ year stay here at the Amiga Island.
Problem is I hate Reality Shows and that is what this Amiga Island is, still, after all this time.
Sure, stuff happens, good and bad, but for every good thing that happens in our small world here, 2 bad things happen, and even though jokes about You Can't Kill Amiga are said, it is just that, becoming a bigger joke year after year, and joking in a sandbox that cats also use as a sandbox does get old scooping out the things that frustrate us users, good developers, and heck, anyone with common sense.
I have stuck around for friends like you and others I have met along the way but gather one day if we don't see some new paradigm shift for the better, one day I will close this chapter of my computing life and find a better island to call home.
TJ
* I will add, I no longer worry too much about the platform in terms of emotion side. I treat it as ONLY a hobby now, so it is what it is. I wish it had less drama and more good actions so everyone who likes the platform could have more fun but at the end of the day, I no longer worry about it. Other platforms keep me stoked and happy.
While I understand where you're coming from, I hope you'll change your mind. Maybe after taking a break.
Sure, some party might try to take the code for their own purposes, but we'd still end up with a newer web browser. The Amiga community could really use an updated browser...
I have embarked on the "learn to code" journey and with each day that passes, I appreciate more than I already did appreciate, what you coders do.
Although the basics are learned rather fast, digging deeper is a big task. All in a sudden I feel so dumb and un-intelligent.
Sometimes I really wonder how you people could achieve that level of brilliance.
Here on Amiga I get crashes, sometimes for no apparent reasons, and the full reboot each time due to the RadeonHD v5 or RadeonRX is really daunting and frustrating.
@Hans, I was digressing, so I cut the text I was about to post here about this, and I'll send you a message. And let me add thank your for the KeaSigmaDelta undertaking.
@Walkero, @kas1e and all the other excellent coders Please don't give up, a least not until we know for certain how the OS4 ship will continue to sail. On my part, I hope Cloanto (the amiga parties), A-Eon, Hyperion and AmigaKit will kind of "fuse" or find a way to make this work. It is really beyond me, why the modus operandi of the politics in the big world, has to be applied in how things are handled in what Hyperion (Ben) themselves call a "Hobby OS".
Please also it is important to point out the things that are not ok, like the YAM thing.
Please let us all also consider that the people at AmigaKit might be stressed out too about having to run a commercial entity in the current situation. This does not make it ok to repeat mistakes, but hopefully they learn and improve. And I am not writing it because of some fear of the leaving the scene, I just think they are people too, everyone "with their cross to drag".
I understand Amigakit, try to survive in a small market. But now I use Amiga only for hobbies. Use OS4 (X5000), Morphos (Minimac), Vampire, Raspberry, UAEs and Qemu. The monopoly looking for Amigakit is wrong, because they kill the spirit of collaborators among the developers. Nobody buys an Amiga product for the latest version of Yam or for the latest update of the old video game. But it is possible that it does not acquire hardware software does not have software. Now the collaboration is more important than before.
I think there are many misunderstandings to the GPL license. Because if amigakit inserting the GNU/GPL software in their package. Every customer have the right to ask the source code of entire product. If the seller has inserted or use, even just a GNU library. Without an agreement with the developer. It's possible to ask entire source codes of the entire packages.
In your opinion. Why microborg is the Platium Linux contributor?
The GNU/GPL is a real copyright, is not Public Domain. It's possible with AROS License because there is an Open Source but not Free License. Free is not free, says Stallman.
@vagappc What you say is probably correct but the terminology is very confusing. Basically if something is in public domain or the license explicitly says that you can use it in any way you like then you can copy that code and use it in your closed source work (or GPL or other software). A bit more restrictive are BSD like licenses that are often called free but Stallman may argue about that. The BSD license says you can use it in binary only closed source software but retains the copyright and you have to mention you've used it and keep the copyright messages you copied but otherwise it does not restrict how you use the source.
The GPL is often called copyleft as a pun on copyright which is like a traditional software license but instead of restricting your rights to distribute and modify the software it gives you such rights but says that you can't take these rights away from others so you can't make a GPL software closed source but have to give others the same rights you got. That means if you use source from GPL software in your work your work also has to be under GPL otherwise you don't have right to use the GPL source because that would be unfair for others that gave you software for free but you don't want to give back your changes. So you don't have to accept GPL but then keep off all the GPL sources and do your own stuff if you want to keep it closed. There are less restrictive versions such as LGPL meant for libraries which say the library itself should be free and open source but you can use it from closed source applications. But you still can't copy code from an LGPL library into a closed source code base and not make that LGPL too.
If closed source people expect others to respect their closed licenses they should also respect the free software licenses and play by those rules. The GPL is just like their closed EULA just its goals are different.
I think there are many misunderstandings to the GPL license. Because if amigakit inserting the GNU/GPL software in their package. Every customer have the right to ask the source code of entire product.
No, only for the parts using GPL source code, or which are linked with GPL code.
For example YAM is GPL and you can ask Amigakit to send you the YAM sources they are using for their AROS/m68k YAM executables, and as you wrote only customers who bought the binaries have that right, nobody else.
It doesn't give you any rights to any other parts of the A600GS/A1200NG software package, for example PPaint, OctaMED or other included tools and games. Mixing GPL and non-GPL software on a CD, MicroSD, download archive or whatever else is no problem at all and just because some parts are GPL doesn't change the rights of other parts. The AmigaOS 4.x CDs and USB sticks include some GPL tools as well, but that doesn't give you any rights to access the whole sources of AmigaOS 4.x and everything else included on the install CD/USB stick, which would be impossible anyway as Hyperion doesn't have most of them, only the sources for the few GPL parts.
For example YAM is GPL and you can ask Amigakit to send you the YAM sources they are using for their AROS/m68k YAM executables, and as you wrote only customers who bought the binaries have that right, nobody else.
Where did you get that idea from? The GPL says: Quote:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable.
That clause means that anyone who has received the written offer has the right to ask for and receive the source-code. This includes both those who got the software directly from the vendor, and those who got it indirectly from someone who got it directly.
It does NOT mean that everyone in the entire world has the right to the code (although really, anyone who has the binary could request the source-code and give everyone access, so there's no point in trying to restrict access).
From the GPL FAQ: Quote:
What does “written offer valid for any third party” mean in GPLv2? Does that mean everyone in the world can get the source to any GPLed program no matter what? (#WhatDoesWrittenOfferValid)
If you choose to provide source through a written offer, then anybody who requests the source from you is entitled to receive it.
If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source code, the GPL says you must provide a written offer to distribute the source code later. When users non-commercially redistribute the binaries they received from you, they must pass along a copy of this written offer. This means that people who did not get the binaries directly from you can still receive copies of the source code, along with the written offer.
The reason we require the offer to be valid for any third party is so that people who receive the binaries indirectly in that way can order the source code from you.
Incorrect. Only for the Binary for which GPL Source-Code were used. You can ship different binaries, some GPL-based, some not together just fine without the binaries which do not use GPL source-code falling under GPL.
Incorrect. Only for the Binary for which GPL Source-Code were used. You can ship different binaries, some GPL-based, some not together just fine without the binaries which do not use GPL source-code falling under GPL.
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