If money is limited I would recommend you to use AmigaForever on your modern PC
In many cases there are modern applications available that are free of charge (either freeware or open source) that can easily replace the old amiga software like gimp for image processing
Amiga is a nice and interesting hobby, not more. Trying to use it as a main productive platform does not sound very reasonable to me (be it the limitation of the OS, missing drivers, no up-to-date office, no up-to-date browser and so on). Use the PC side for serious work and the emulation for rest and for fun. And if your health issues are solved and you have more disposable income you can still buy a NG system.
Real3d Starts and it looks like it works, but it has issue with refreshing.
ComGraph, did not have execution bit set, so head some problems with this one, from the get go, after fixing that, it crashed badly. You need to run this one in emulation.
NewIO, this one starts, but for some unknown reason it does not refresh its graphics, the program itself looks like a 10 year old made it (Dragging the screen up and down, make the graphic refresh, but that not really good way to work.)
LogicWorks v1, works however for some reason unknown the font is to big for the menus, it strange that menu did not scale with the fonts.
LogicWorks v2, I have some problems with disk 2, it steams it’s a NDOS disk, anyway disk 1 and 3 looks ok.
This programs looks like where made for Kickstart 2.1, its fun to see old programs like that running, but they come their own issue like, being made for lowres, that does look so good in hd resolution screen mode. And also the GUI of that time, did not scale with fonts, however it possible to promote the screen mode under amigaos4, it might be possible to fix some glitches that way.
There are clearly some issues, that Hyperion should look into here, the refresh issue and menus, I see no good reason for way it should look that way, or behave that way. Hopefully some beta tester will try it out and make bug reports to Hyperion.
Edited by LiveForIt on 2016/11/5 16:04:03 Edited by LiveForIt on 2016/11/6 12:30:29 Edited by LiveForIt on 2016/11/6 12:35:02
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if remember correct, it used its on API for scanners, and cameras, but as USB stack in AmigaOS4.1 does not support streaming, and don't use the same API, I don't think this application ever worked.
Anyway now it's impossible to get hold of application, now IOSpirit has gone MacOS.
I'm pretty sure I have used ScanQuix 5 on the X-1000 at one point, and definitely before that on the A1 XE G4.. I may also have used fxScan with the ScanQuix driver as "backend", but I'm not completely sure that was on NG, it might have been back on the A4k with OS 3.9.
But at least ScanQuix itself works fairly well. I use the 68k drivers, not the PPC ones.
... NewIO, this one starts, but for some unknown reason it does not refresh its graphics, the program itself looks like a 10 year old made it (Dragging the screen up and down, make the graphic refresh, but that not really good way to work.)
Don't let yourself be fooled by the look of the GUI into believing that "a 10 year old made it"! Of course, on the one hand the GUI looks horribly outdated today, but on the other hand I wouldn't expect a program from the late eighties/early ninetees to have a modern GUI by todays standards. Back then my friends and I used it a lot to make PCB layouts from schematics with it and then produced PCBs from that (e.g. a sound digitiser for the a500, an eprommer etc.). Worked like a charm on our old A500s...
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... This programs looks like where made for Kickstart 2.1, its fun to see old programs like that running, but ... it might be possible to fix some glitches that way.
Now this sounds promising!
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There are clearly some issues, that Hyperion should look into here, the refresh issue and menus, I see no good reason for way it should look that way, or behave that way. Hopefully some beta tester will try it out and make bug reports to Hyperion.
It would be great if NG AmigaOS would reach a state where such good old classic software could be run without glitches.
Or if modern, native OS4.x programs with an equal or better functionality would be published (just dreaming)...
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... "fx SCAN 4" if remember correct, it used its on API for scanners, and cameras, but as USB stack in AmigaOS4.1 does not support streaming, and don't use the same API, I don't think this application ever worked. Anyway now it's impossible to get hold of application, now IOSpirit has gone MacOS. ...
fxSCAN 4 is for scanners. What you mean with regard to cameras must be VHIstudio, I think. On my system ,I use an old Epson GT 6500 SCSI-II scanner, but support for modern USB scanners would be welcome.
But as far as I know the scanners are operated either by using the free Betascan-drivers (included on the fxSCAN CD) or an already installed commercial ScanQuix (which is what I use, version 5.5), which obviously is still available at Vesalia in the category Amiga/Software/Application - as well as an USB version. For fxSCAN you should look at e-bay - its offered there from time to time.
The application works flawlessly with AmigaOS3.9/WarpOS 16.1 - don't know if it works with AOS 4.x or not. But as long as there exists native OS4.x scanner software (or at least scanner support via AmiCygnix/xsane) I don't care.
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... "Fantastic Dreams" I imagine that Gimp will be able to do most of that; a classic program I know works is ImageEfx.
I don't know "Gimp", so I can't tell if it offers similar functionality as Elastic-/Fantastic-Dreams...
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... "Real3d" As Real3d don't work so well, and from the looks of it looks horrible dated, I most recommend Blender, this is truly an excellent port done by Andy.
Actually Real3D IS outdated. I also don't know about Blender - is it similar to Real3D?
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... As for Classic program that is known to work on AmigaOS4.1 it's LightWave.
That sounds promising...
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... For cad work, there is Amicad
One "cad work" is not like another. There are several fields of application like mechanical engineering, architectural engineering and electronic engineering - and each has its own specialised CAD programs.
Amicad seems to be something like NewIO (electronic engineering). Not clear if it also has an autorouting function like NewIO. But as it says "- Schematics vectorial electronics program" I highly doubt it can be used to route PCB layouts from schematics with it. Seems more to be a simple program to draw schematics as vector graphics, while I would also need the possibility to route PCB layouts from the schematics...
Furthermore there are contradictory statements regarding the "Requirements" - 3 times OS4.x is mentioned as requirement and one time they recommend "AmigaOS (OS3+, 3.9 recommended)" - see here. What now?
Regarding CAD, I also need a real 3D CAD program with solid and surface modelers (BSPLINES, NURBS) for mechanical engineering (like DynaCADD), best with Booleann functions and CNC support (milling, drilling, lathing, grinding).
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If money is limited I would recommend you to use AmigaForever on your modern PC.
I concur!
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In many cases there are modern applications available that are free of charge (either freeware or open source) that can easily replace the old amiga software like gimp for image processing
Yeah - but unfortunately not the kind of apps that I'm after (see above)...
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Amiga is a nice and interesting hobby, not more. Trying to use it as a main productive platform does not sound very reasonable to me (be it the limitation of the OS, missing drivers, no up-to-date office, no up-to-date browser and so on).
I know I have weird hobbies.
But I don't want "to use it as a main productive platform". Being a mechanical engineer and CAD analyst it is quite obvious where my interests are. By the time of my CAD training (1989) I got my first second hand Amiga500 with 1081 monitor and an external floppy drive for 1.200 DM, while a brandnew, bare 80386 PC did cost 6.000 DM.
The Amiga could display up to 4096 colours and had stereo sound by standard, while the 386 came with Hercules monochrome grahics card and could make "beep".
For the Amiga I just needed to buy a decent CAD program (or to visit a decent mailbox), while for the 386 PC I would have had to spend a fortune for a VGA graphics board with 256 colours and an audio card. Not to speak of the 15.000 DM for Autocad, which, at that time, was not even capable of 3D CAD.
Back then I was impressed what could be done on the Amiga at a fraction of the costs you would have had with an PC. And - in contrary to the PCs - the Amiga could multitask.
So I started to dream of doing serious CAD on Amigas and was hoping for more powerful Amiga hardware.
Some years later I built my A4kPPC for that. But in the meantime I had become a father and had to focus on earning money and bringing the kids up, instead of 'playing' with my Amigas, but never gave up the dream of doing CAD and CNC on the Amiga.
I always thought I can do that one day when I'm retired. Now this is coming within reach, but now my good old A4kPPC is too underpowered for my taste.
I have collected all the (Amiga-)software required for this task and just need new hardware with more power than my A4kPPC, also more memory than the CSPPC's 128 mB would be welcome.
You see - although it may sound as if I wanted "to use it as a main productive platform", I just want to realise an old dream hobbywise...
Oh yeah - old boys and their toys...
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I'm still using ScanQuix and fxScan on my AmigaOne-XE when there is need. I mostly use ScanQuix 5 (the latest version) because fxScan wasn't the latest version available as far as I remember; I'm not sure if I have version 3.0. Both work normally, but faster than they did when the artec AM12S scanner was connected to the A4000/060/PPC.
I can not test on my AmigaONE-X1000 because they are quite a few hundreds of KM apart.
Since I was looking for FreeCAD to work on Linux side on my X1000 I decided to give MaxonCAD and dynaCADD a go.
Both work flawlessly as far as I can tell. The Applications load in a blink of an eye, the projects from the "Beispiele" drawer load instantly. Zooming in and out, is blatantly faster than on AmigaOS 3.1 or 3.9 emulated by AmigaForever on a 3.16GHZ quad-core 16GiB RAM intel-PC running on Windows 7 or Windows 10.
Since I am not yet familiar with dynaCADD I will dive into it since I need a 3D CAD for a project. I might enjoy it better than working with FreeCAD (excellent btw) on Linux.
Btw I have elastic and Fantastic Dreams stored in a box somewhere at my parents house, but it might take weeks if not months to get the time to search for them. :/
I don't fully understand this - my OS3 soft still works as well as it did on day 1 (e.g. DynaCadd, Maxon Cinema 4D, ...).
I mean that the modern world moved on, and the OS3 software I had was no-longer good enough. I gave some examples (web browsing, video playback).
I suspect that aging Maxon Cinema 4D doesn't compare to a modern program like Blender (but of course there would be a big learning curve).
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Well, OS 4.x looks more modern - no doubt about that.
But I don't use an OS for its own sake.
Neither do I :) . All things I want to do, can be done better on OS4 than on OS3. Whether that would be true for you, I cannot say. Some people still swear by OS3 (to my great surprise), so obviously different people have differents needs!
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That's why I'm now wondering if it would not be best for me (read: the most economical way for me) to use my given heap of AOS 3.x/WarpOS software under emulation on real fast given PC hardware
No doubt WinUAE will be cheaper, but for me personally I could not go back to OS3 after having used OS4. (Actually, I was going to abandon OS3+WinUAE for Windows/Linux, but luckily the Sam440 became available, so I was able to stick with Amiga by switching to OS4.)
Only you can decide if the extra cost of OS4 route (compared to WinUAE) are worth the (IMHO) benefits of OS4 (and no doubt a few negatives as well, since nothing in life is ever simple).
P.S. WipeOut 2097 (PPC) did run on my Sam440, albiet with shadow glitches (due to different Warp3D version), and a habit of crashing (apparently due to debug memory trashing that a MorphOS dev managed to write a patch to fix - but MOS only sadly).
edit: Having read your list of OS3 programs, some of which are obscure, it does seem that WinUAE might be the safer route. While it *might* be possible to find alternatives to those OS3 programs which don't work well on OS4, if you are happy with OS3 then WinUAE seems the simpler way to go.
P.S. If an OS3 program has graphical problems, it can be worth forcing it's screen to use special compatibility settings using Prefs/Screens. You may be able to get it working better.
e.g. Disable compositing if you have graphical refresh problems (using a GUI prefs file saved with this disabled)... or just disable Compositing entirely from Prefs/GUI. Maybe also try enabling "Force synchronous refresh of window contents"?
e.g. For font problems, tell the screen to use Topaz/8 or similar. And maybe a smaller screen resolution?
Edited by ChrisH on 2016/11/7 20:44:35 Edited by ChrisH on 2016/11/7 20:46:23 Edited by ChrisH on 2016/11/7 20:46:57 Edited by ChrisH on 2016/11/7 20:49:18
... fxScan wasn't the latest version available as far as I remember; I'm not sure if I have version 3.0. ...
I have Version 4, which comes with PDF maker and OCR... Very important and useful tools, if you ask me.
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... Both work normally, but faster than they did when the artec AM12S scanner was connected to the A4000/060/PPC.
Glad to hear that these extreme useful classic productive software titles also run flawlessly on NG Amiga systems! Do you know if other, native OS 4.x software with the same features exists?
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... Since I was looking for FreeCAD to work on Linux side on my X1000 I decided to give MaxonCAD and dynaCADD a go.
Great! So you're also a CAD professional?
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Both work flawlessly as far as I can tell. The Applications load in a blink of an eye, the projects from the "Beispiele" drawer load instantly. Zooming in and out, is blatantly faster than on AmigaOS 3.1 or 3.9 emulated by AmigaForever on a 3.16GHZ quad-core 16GiB RAM intel-PC running on Windows 7 or Windows 10.
That's good news! Even on my 060 @ 50 mHz the refresh of a 3D view in DynaCADD seems to be quite slow, especially complex ones.
That must be because I got spoilt by the speed of modern hardware at work!
Today it is hard to believe that I started to 'use' DynaCADD on a 68000 cpu @ 7.14 mHz (A500). That really was a trial of patience...
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Since I am not yet familiar with dynaCADD I will dive into it since I need a 3D CAD for a project.
As Dynacadd worked similar to Cadds4x, it was not too hard to get into it - even without the docs.
Do you have the docs for DynaCADD?
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I might enjoy it better than working with FreeCAD (excellent btw) on Linux.
As I never used Linux I cannot test it.
Some years ago I tried to install Linux/APUS from the Amiga Unix Compendium CDs on my A4kPPC, but the verison on my CDs did not have support for the UW-SCSI on my CSPPC yet, which I use exclusively (all my HDs are connected to it).
When I tried to find a different Kernel with UW-SCSI support on the web I got blown away by the sheer mass of different Kernels and Bootstraps ans got completely lost.
So I never got to the point where I had a working Linux - neither on the Amiga, nor on a PC. I 'just' learned UNIX at the CAD school...
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Btw I have elastic and Fantastic Dreams stored in a box somewhere at my parents house, but it might take weeks if not months to get the time to search for them. :/
Well, they're quite good morphing programs. Does something similar exist natively for OS4.x?
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I got Real3D working following your advice. the problem with this program, now that I got it sort of working, the program, system friendly, but don't care that I have more then 8bit, I have not really gotten it to render to any file, I'm not so good with this program.
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I'm sorry to hear about your health and inability to get that new Amiga you want. I will try to answer from a mere user perspective, although based on 30 years as one.
I wasn't here all those years of Amiga upgrades. For me it always was about the bigger Amiga machines from the 1000, to the 2000 and then 4000. Those machine have cost quite a lot but at that time the culture of consuming was very different. The best thing about it growing up on Amiga was the patience I learned about the entire home computer market so even after leaving I never went for those overrated high end PCs and never regretted it. Purchasing Amiga has always been a 5 year thing for me that later translated to other areas. 14 years ago I bought a Yamaha Receiver and surprise surprise - it still sounds great and supports everything I need and will probably continue to do so.
That maybe isn't a valid business model in the home computer world but what is a business model without a market? We as users and consumers have our own considerations. We can divest funds for what we deem as long term purchasing. the X1k cost me a lot not just the machine but also shipping to the middle east. I still carry that cost 2 years after purchasing. That was a choice based on a lot of stuff Amigans don't really need to explain (or just proclaim being crazy) and based on an order of priorities concerning every spending that isn't essential. So of course I would never think you should buy something like this over taking care of yourself. This can only be a priority as far as spending on anything that isn't essential because concerning any free time or simply having fun - there wasn't really a question.
I wish you good health and stay with us for many years to come.
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