USB does not recognize devices during booting (AOS4 July update)

Hi,

since i deployed the latest update of Amiga OS4 (July) my A1 does not correctly recognize my USB devices (a Mac USB Keyboard and MigthyMouse) during booting.

But if i restart the USB Stack they get recognize and works without any problems, but to do so i always need to have my old PS/2 keyboard hooked up.

Anyone had similar problems and/or a solution for this problem.

My first try was to just restart the USB Stack in the User-Startup.
But that does not solev the problem in two ways:

1.) A requetser pops up and asks about permission to restart, so my PS/2 Keyboard is still needed.

2.) If i confirm the requester they still does not get recognized correctly.


Thus to get my USB Keyboard working i need to restart the USB Stack after finished boot process.

Help?

regards


Max

@MigthyMax

This is a known problem, it happens to all keyboards that have a hub built in. You can also just replug the keyboard and save a reset.

Restarting usb in your user-startup wont do much, very basic usb is started in kickstart, then full usb is started in startup-sequence.

@Severin

Aha, well thnaks for that info.

But what has happend to the July update, so that it got broken. Because before i deployed the update it worked. Do you know anything about it?

regards

Max

@Severin

Mine's working fine here. A long time ago I got problems with it needing to be unplugged/replugged before it would work, but it's been fine for ages.

@MightyMax

Do you use a powered hub?

Chris

@Chris

Nope it's plugged into an unpowered KVM.

@Chris

No, i don't use a usb hub. I plug my directly on the front usb port of the computer case.

regards


Max

@MigthyMax

Please try with a powered hub.

One of the differences in the new version of the USB stack is that it handles correctly low power conditions.
If the mobo doesn't deliver enough power, the USB Stack might disable devices to avoid a USB lockup.

Hi @Chris

Mine's working fine here.

Fixed or not fixed USB?

It's unpredictable here. The message "Babble detected...",
blew me away!

I posted all my USB.log at Yahoo for Detlef to look at.
I noticed the VIA bug when bootup with a flash drive; it can't read the USB port. Or, is that the USB capacitor/transistor
mixup?

@MightyMax

Try it in the back USB ports instead - ISTR they tend to work a bit more reliably.

@Snuffy

Unfixed board, everything goes through a powered hub (except my card reader*), I have things plugged into the hub on the keyboard too.

If I leave my flash drive attached when U-Boot scans it quite often times out. I think this is a problem with U-Boot rather than hardware.

Chris

* A ?1-ish jobbie from Ebuyer, that is quite happy being left directly plugged in and notifying the OS of card changes.

I haven't yet tried with the ports on the back.

But i do have to restart the USB stack after booting to get
my devices to work, Unplugging and repluging does not work.

But if but without usb devices connected and plug them in after booting
it works out of the box. Strange.

Will try the back ports as next step.

BTW. Can this misbehavior have something to to with a bad battery, like many other problems?

regards

Max

@MigthyMax

Will try the back ports as next step.
IIRC, Earlybird A1-XEs only worked with the back ports.

BTW. Can this misbehavior have something to to with a bad battery, like many other problems?

Nope, it's a mobo 'quality assurance' feature NOT. It's repairable, if you want to send it away.

@All

I made more test. Especially with the back and ront ports
and connected my USB Keyboard with the intergated non-powered hub and connection only my usb mouse.

Well if i only connect my mouse regardless in which port (back and front) it works right after booting.

If i connect my USB keybord without mouse connected to it, regrdaless in which port (back and front) it does not work after booting only after retsrating the usb stack.

Mmmh i forgett to test if i connect my usb keybord and my usb mouse drectly on the computer if the mouse works and the keyboard not. Have to reboot and check.

@MigthyMax

I reboot with the setup plugin in my mouse and keyboard seperatly in my computer. Netheir the mouse or keyboard works after reboot.

Very suspicious. The onyl thing i wondering: why didi it work before the july update na d if plug in the usb devices after booting?

regards

Max

@MigthyMax

I got the same behavior from the July 2007 update.
Reverting to the pre-July 2007 usbsys.device (and, if you want to use USBInspector, that too) fixed it for me - at least as a temporary solution. Dunno why, though.

Regards
Thomas Graff Th?ger

@MigthyMax

After an update of my UBoot, my usb hub (unpowered) has stopped working if I have any devices connected on Cold Startup, when the usb stack then is loaded I can connect my devices and Fast reboot works fine after that.

I havent tested the old december version to se if that works with the new UBoot.

RWO

@graff

Just a fast OT question if you see it :)

I read in the PTP docs that when a error condition rises it will STALL the endpoints.. but I'm not sure if it only means the Bulk endpoint or it include the Interrups Endpoints as well, so is there a way to se if an endpoint is stalled?

If not can I Destall and endpoint that is not stalled and get away with it?

RWO

@rwo

You can see the EndPoint is stalled by the reception of USBERR_STALL (iiirc - don't have the include files here at work :)

You can also issue a GET_STATUS request to the Default Control Pipe (DCP) to get the status of a specific named EndPoint - check the USB spec on standard commands to the DCP for more info - I don't have that spec here at work either.

Btw. I don't know how a device will react to destalling a non-stalled EndPoint. Probably it will behave nicely and take it is a NOP, responding as if it destalled the EndPoint, but I'm not sure.

Regards
Thomas

Hi @graff

Quote:

I think the VIA USB has a bug. It can't keep count of ports it scans. I posted my usb.log at Yahoo
AmigaOS4. I saw the same kind of redundancy in my old linux system.logs.

@All

Yep chnaged back to the usbsys.device from the final version of AmigaOs4 solves the usb device trouble during cold reboot.

regards


Max

@MigthyMax

I just tried it out with a mighty mouse..it get recognized properly both after cold&warm reboot and even on powerup. It might be because the mouse is connected to a powered USB hub?

OS4.200707 on AmigaOne XE G4, not fixed and SII0680.