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Petrol
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 7:38    #81
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Maybe I missed it in the this thread, but what's your host machine specs?
It's impressive though!
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 8:18    #82
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I installed the Enhancer Software 2.2 only after Update 1 and 2. But you should not install everything, some parts cause problems under AmigaOs4.1.

I installed it piece by piece and tested if the system can handle the new updates.

You write on EAB? What is that?

This might be helpful for developers, or someone who can and wants to help:

https://osdn.net/projects/qmiga/wiki/AmigaOSGfx
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 8:39    #83
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MacStudio with Apple M1 Max Chip
10-core CPU with 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores
24-core GPU
16-core Neural Engine
400 GB/s memory bandwidth

It seems to be the perfect emulation machine
But even with current PC hardware i7, i9 the emulation will be impressively fast.

As I have done some benchmark tests it proves that Qemu Pegasos 2 is currently the fastest emulation we can use with AmigaOs4.1.
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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 12:02    #84
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GfxBench:

The one at 17.134.22 is me (Ryzen 5800x)

i tried to do it yesterday

But clearly they are entirely scores in theory
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS

p.s
Today I prepare a few questions for you

but the FIX update (the third one released by Hyperion must be installed)
because in the live update it is not in the list.

EAB (it is the site of WinUAE).

But you can choose where you prefer to write about qemu..


I owe everything I've learned about AmigaOS 4.1 over time to this forum.
And to its users who know how to really use 4.1 and beyond.

Where there has always been an open mind towards emulation.

Besides the fact that they have always been available.

So if Amigans users don't mind, here too it would be a great choice because apart from emulation you can count on their experience on the software side, etc.

Thank you.


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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 14:46    #85
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If I use for example "Emotion" everything works.
If I put "Emotion" in full screen everything works
But if I then switch from full screen of "Emotion" back to its window.
The Workbench appears disproportionate and is no longer scaled eg 1280x720.
Does this also happen with other applications does it happen to you too?

Is this due to SM502 or do I have to compile something for SDL,ON ?

for MAC the " -display cocoa " option what is it for ?

Do you know how to "boot" automatically without writing the command line every time to initialize the "boot" ?

I have configured Amicygnix to export the DISPLAY
to be able to do this I need the amiga's ip not to be that of the "virtual router" .
With WinUAE I use NpCAP to directly use VMWare drivers how can I configure AmigaOS "RTL 8029" to get the same thing ?
for example with "Libpcap" is it then to have an external IP for AmigOS ?

With Qemu ?

Thank you


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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 19:29    #86
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white wrote:@Maijestro

GfxBench:

The one at 17.134.22 is me (Ryzen 5800x)

i tried to do it yesterday

But clearly they are entirely scores in theory
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS

p.s
Today I prepare a few questions for you

but the FIX update (the third one released by Hyperion must be installed)
because in the live update it is not in the list.

EAB (it is the site of WinUAE).

But you can choose where you prefer to write about qemu..


I owe everything I've learned about AmigaOS 4.1 over time to this forum.
And to its users who know how to really use 4.1 and beyond.

Where there has always been an open mind towards emulation.

Besides the fact that they have always been available.

So if Amigans users don't mind, here too it would be a great choice because apart from emulation you can count on their experience on the software side, etc.

Thank you.


Your values are excellent in the benchmark, mine are from 26.2.2023 without -cpu 7447 I think I should repeat this benchmark so that I am again at the top of this list


Sure I work closely with Balaton Zoltan and through my persistence we have moved the project forward together, but I am not the developer of it all!

I get most of the information from BALATON Zoltan. The rest is based on my 4 months experience with the Qemu Pegasos 2 emulation AmigaOs4.1, as I tested it extensively.

With good luck there will be soon a central place for this project where we can collect our experiences and improvements.

BALATON Zoltan will try to provide this forum and we can then create it together and exchange experiences ,it is better than me having to post in countless forums.

I myself would like to play a bit more with AmigaOs4.1 under Qemu, but at the moment I am already too busy with answering questions.
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 20:12    #87
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If I use for example "Emotion" everything works.
If I put "Emotion" in full screen everything works
But if I then switch from full screen of "Emotion" back to its window.
The Workbench appears disproportionate and is no longer scaled eg 1280x720.
Does this also happen with other applications does it happen to you too?

Is this due to SM502 or do I have to compile something for SDL,ON ?

for MAC the " -display cocoa " option what is it for ?

Do you know how to "boot" automatically without writing the command line every time to initialize the "boot" ?

I have configured Amicygnix to export the DISPLAY
to be able to do this I need the amiga's ip not to be that of the "virtual router" .
With WinUAE I use NpCAP to directly use VMWare drivers how can I configure AmigaOS "RTL 8029" to get the same thing ?
for example with "Libpcap" is it then to have an external IP for AmigOS ?

With Qemu ?

Thank you


>If I use for example "Emotion" everything works.
If I put "Emotion" in full screen everything works
But if I then switch from full screen of "Emotion" back to its window.
The Workbench appears disproportionate and is no longer scaled eg 1280x720.
Does this also happen with other applications does it happen to you too?

I have to test this myself before I can answer this question.

>Is this due to SM502 or do I have to compile something for SDL,ON ?

There are currently problems under AmigaOs4.1 with SDL and the use of -cpu 7447 it affects most SDL applications. Everything else seems to work fine. The problem is known and is already being investigated. You could try to use another CPU for Qemu, but then the emulation will be a bit slower again.

>for MAC the " -display cocoa " option what is it for ?

It is a GUI frontend specifically for MacOs, similar to SDL and GTK. First introduced with Qemu 7.2 as far as I can remember.

>Do you know how to "boot" automatically without writing the command line every
time to initialize the "boot" ?

You could create a StartScript that does this automatically for you. For Windows and MacOs there are already instructions for this on https://www.amiga-news.de/de/forum/thr ... 36423&BoardID=6&start=151

"NVRAM settings aren't saved after exiting QEMU (to make the boot automatic)".

The nvram is not emulated yet therefore firmware environment variables are not preserved so the boot command has to be typed at each boot. As far as I know, they are already working on it.

>I have configured Amicygnix to export the DISPLAY
to be able to do this I need the amiga's ip not to be that of the "virtual router" .
With WinUAE I use NpCAP to directly use VMWare drivers how can I configure AmigaOS "RTL 8029" to get the same thing ?
for example with "Libpcap" is it then to have an external IP for AmigOS ?

I cannot answer this question, I have not tested it.

I like to write with you, but please don't ask so many questions, I'm the wrong person for that

One more thing, after installing AmigaOs4.1 FE you only need FE update 1 and FE update 2. HotFixUpdate 2 was added later in FE update 2, it is unnecessary to install
this HotFix if you have update 1 and 2 installed.
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orgin
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/15 21:44    #88
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I could create a specific channel on the discord if you want?
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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/16 0:25    #89
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Now I spent some time configuring the whole system.
Clearly currently the emulation is forced.
Until some bugs like SDL are fixed

Nothing wrong I've been adjusting WinUAE for years to make it work better with 4.1

Don't pay attention to my questions, of course they are specific and tested
on applications that I have been using for a long time in emulation.

Now I put the vmware driver to have an external ip.

In the end I switch everything to real SSD hard drive partition
The speed should increase a lot especially in writing

I've been doing this for some time with WinUAE where I use a real Hard Disk

Well I await news of any developments.
When you like, write or let me know if you move to other channels.

Because the speed is really excellent and I can assure you that if I'm using it it's because it's faster than WinUAE clearly "bugs and everything else will come out little by little and be solved slowly.

I found them having practically used all the applications available for 4.1 just to test how the speed was.

But little by little we can work on it.

I looked now AIOSTREAMS works on WinUAE
While with Qemu we have problems with the "pythonSSL" libraries, it seems I can't open them.

Then there is E-UAE which works really well but the latest version compiled by "kas1e" has problems and is slightly split, so I went back to the old version always with JIT.
(this only if you use the 1.5ghz processor)

As soon as I have time I make a video to give ZBalaton or where you write.
This is done faster for years that I have been using 4.1 applications in emulation.

And clearly they are written for real amigas, and it is normal that there are some emulation bugs

But the speed of execution is extraordinary.

Get in touch.
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/16 8:26    #90
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I could create a specific channel on the discord if you want?


Thank you for your help. Discord is certainly good, but I'm not sure if people want to use it as a central point for the Qemu Pegasos 2 project.

There is also a forum directly on the project page
https://osdn.net/projects/qmiga/forums/
But it seems to work very limited at the moment, I'm not sure if it can be expanded. BALATON Zoltan told me that we could use it, I would then agree to moderate it.

But maybe someone else has a better idea?
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/16 8:54    #91
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Now I spent some time configuring the whole system.
Clearly currently the emulation is forced.
Until some bugs like SDL are fixed


Yes the CPU is currently forced but will be fixed in Qemu 8.1. Therefore it is important that bugs are investigated so that the problem can be solved.

It's good that you do many things to test and partly do crazy things with the emulation.

I look forward to sharing experiences in the future, I also learned a lot from you when I started experimenting with WinUae.

If you find bugs in the emulation, you can also use the bug tracker. There are already some entries from other people and you can also see which bugs have already been reported. Currently we are investigating the problems with SDL (Altivec) with CPU 7447.

https://osdn.net/projects/qmiga/ticket

One more small hint, you can also use the line -cpu g3 this CPU works perfectly with SDL and also Ranger shows this CPU correctly.

Also the g3 CPU is much faster in Qemu emulation than the default settings and SFS is also supported.

I already tested it with Quake Timedemo1

1280x720

-cpu 7447 24 FPS Software Rendering
-cpu g3 16.4 FPS Software Rendering

We now have 2 CPU's we can use for compute intensive applications and Altivec support CPU 7447 and for the best possible compatibility CPU g3

Please test it.

As soon as there is news I will contact you again


Edited by Maijestro on 2023/4/16 15:51:58
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Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/16 13:27    #92
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Maybe Hyperion should consider two next steps to take as soon as possible.
Support Zoltan Balaton in his efforts to improve Sam/Peg2 virtual boards (I know Zoltan until almost one year ago was not looking for money) and make a digital "new" version of os4.1 fe with full support for QEMU, possibility at low price between 20 and 30 euro/dollars.

Ask some last os4 developers and other skilled programmers on Amiga community to join QEMU project could be the right choice.

I tried to do something in past years but I have no time and it's really over my skills.
You have to know how to do things at very low level and in a QEMU way..

On Oowermacs with a linux distro should be verified if KVM-PR is enabled and functional with PEG2 board.
Memento audere semper!
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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/16 16:50    #93
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Fixed the Workbench resolution issue
Now every application no longer suffers from the screen that changed resizing it incorrectly and therefore the problem is solved.

Waiting for the patch

I enabled SDL and solved the problem.
You can also leave out -vga none if you want

This is for linux:
qemu-system-ppc -cpu 7447 -L pc-bios -M pegasos2 -bios /home/white/Scaricati/pegasos2.rom -m 1024 -serial stdio -device sm501 -drive if=none,id=hd,file=/ home/white/Scaricati/16gb.raw,format=raw -device ide-hd,drive=hd,bus=ide.1 -device rtl8139,netdev=network00 -netdev user,id=network00 -nodefaults -display sdl,gl=on

or you can also add:
-vga none

all that remains is to resolve the full screen which is given at 4:3
and not in "widescreen"

although I don't pay much attention to benchmark tests:
at the resolution of 1440x 900
17,364.00

But the Workbench is not yet optimized but this is superfluous.

https://youtu.be/tehxsdb0LIk

here instead E-UAE with The Killing Ground 2 3D and MPlayer with the composite:

https://youtu.be/OVXtZ3jDLQg

( for E-UAE I have to reconfigure files for new screens )
so there's a bit of work to do

The hardest thing now is to give qemu a real external address for amigaOS.
I can lean on VMWare but I need to find the command for qemu
to make it use the "VM8" driver

So I can finally use Amicygnix and it's already working and I can access the terminal with the shell.
But I can't export DISPLAY precisely because I don't have the external IP for AmigaOS.

Does anyone know how to do this?

Thank you.

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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/18 18:14    #94
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I'll summarize it again briefly....

Problems we still have at the moment under Qemu Pegasos 2:


- Using -cpu 7447 with Altivec support there is no correct GUI/window output for some SDL applications, use -cpu g3 instead.

-After update FE 2 it is possible that your network connection becomes unstable, if this is the case please copy the older rtl8139.device from the Pegasos install.iso to system/devs/Networks on your installation HD

-Nvram is not yet emulated, so the firmware's environment variables are not preserved, so the boot command has to be entered at every startup

-Currently the maximum resolution is limited to 1440x900 16 bit under the Qemu Pegasos2 emulation

-AmigaOs4.1 cannot be terminated under Qemu via the "Shutdown" menu (there is already a patch for this, but it probably won't make it into Qemu 8 Final)

How can I help:

It can be helped to solve the -cpu 7447 problem by reproducing the whole thing with Qemu 8 and MorphOs. This means that you have to install MorphOs under Qemu and test different SDL applications that also access AltiVec directly. This would confirm that both systems have the same problems and it is not AmigaOs4.1 specific.

If someone wants to help, you can get the installation for Morphos under Qemu from here:

http://zero.eik.bme.hu/~balaton/qemu/amiga/

Let's create together the best Amiga NG emulation

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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/18 21:15    #95
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I have finished configuring the system
In practice everything works.
I recompiled qemu

The only problems are not the network because if I browse sites not only dedicated to amigaos everything works fine including downloading files.

What is not working well and streaming there must be something wrong.
And that somehow create the problem.

Because with TwitchTV, for example, just configured with Emotion, everything worked. so I "backed up" the .raw file to keep it.

Same raw file. same configuration Emotion no longer worked.
I'm using the old "rtl8139" file as recommended.
But that doesn't change things.

Now even YT.rexx doesn't work anymore.
While AmiTube works fine with the "MickJTPlayer" composite

I would be kind enough to send me your YT folder because I saw that it works for you and I would like to see if your YT works for me
Thank you.

(( I'm starting to think that the "filesystem" doesn't assign the right "flags" has something to do with it

As soon as I have time I dedicate myself to the filesystem and create a new .raw file with the latest filesystem for amigaos 4.1 (not 68k) ))

Here a test with E-UAE with the final full screen configuration with demos written for the 060 etc.

Ah then i played all the first level of The Killing Ground 3D
I'd say it's perfect.

https://youtu.be/lf6J7S70obc
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Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/19 15:36    #96
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Now even YT.rexx doesn't work anymore.
While AmiTube works fine with the "MickJTPlayer" composite


I also have problems with YT.REXX it was switched to YouTube something that it no longer works. On all my backups HDs where it worked otherwise, it no longer works without error message. But videos are still played.

YT.Rexx: https://ibb.co/BB6DFwx

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would be kind enough to send me your YT folder because I saw that it works for you and I would like to see if your YT works for me
Thank you.


I will send you a link later.

Quote:
with the latest filesystem for amigaos 4.1 (not 68k) ))


You should definitely use SFS PPC it will increase your reading and writing speed even more.

Quote:
Here a test with E-UAE with the final full screen configuration with demos written for the 060 etc.


You have set up E-UAE great, what version are you using? And do I need to consider any other things ?
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Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/19 16:08    #97
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Thank you,
I will wait for the link to be sent when you have time.

As for E-UAE if you try to do a normal installation from "EXTRAS" you will not be able to run it as it should be configured.

So basically I did this:

To make it work I ran the old 4.1 classic the one with updates 1-2-3 etc. installing E-UAE works perfectly.

Then I took his Emulation folder and saved it with DOPUS

then I took the 4 E-UAE configuration files in env and saved them.

Later I updated E-UAE in JIT version.

Basically now I have a "portable" version of E-UAE

I replace the "Emulation" folder I put in 4 files in ENV

And then I configure .uaerc or .uaercRunInUAE

these two files are not the same for all systems and must be configured according to the graphics driver used.

Example Voodoo3 UaeGfx and now SM502.

It is clear that inside there are ROMs protected by copyright.
therefore from an ethical point of view they cannot be shared.

But it is also equally clear that the tests are carried out on the same BUG and FILE or the TESTS are not effective for the purpose of improving "qemu"

This is a form of "hacking" but as long as it's done for your own use you're not violating anything.

The underlying thought is:

Sharing your work?
And all that comes with it to improve qemu in this case?

The answer should be natural to all this.

You don't compete, you share, then everything is sorted out in a short time.

I asked ZBalaton if he was working on the BUGS that I find he said no. (he doesn't even know about it)
He is 'working on the SM502 driver but without taking into account the BUGS that I have already encountered.

But what I still don't understand is:

Where do I report these BUGS?
So the question is do you need a virtual hd to share?
Because this is the only way to work well.

And the answer is always the same
Sharing your work?
And all that comes with it to improve qemu in this case?

The answer should be natural to all this.

Thank you.
I apologize for the long post.
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Maijestro
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/19 17:11    #98
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The solution is simple, please write directly to Balaton Zoltan, he is smart and a very nice person and can answer many of your questions.

I only test the Qemu Pegasos 2 emulation directly and if I find any errors I report it to him. Most of the time he then tells me what to do, but he doesn't have a solution for everything either.

Do you have an idea where I can upload YT?


Edited by Maijestro on 2023/4/19 18:21:12
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Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/19 17:19    #99
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Thanks,
I already have your email.

it's since the 3.0 version of qemu that I write to him every now and then.

I send you my email
the file is so small.

Thanks again.
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white
Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?
Posted on: 2023/4/19 19:11    #100
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Even though these parameters seem useless and could be omitted I use them for my current setup.

qemu-system-ppc -cpu max -cpu 7447 -smp 1,sockets=1,cores=1,threads=1 -L pc-bios -M pegasos2 -bios /home/white/Scaricati/pegasos2.rom -m 1024 - serial stdio -device sm501 -drive if=none,id=hd,file=/home/white/Downloads/16gb.raw,format=raw -device ide-hd,drive=hd,bus=ide.1 -netdev user, id=net0 -device rtl8139,netdev=net0 -nodefaults -display sdl,gl=on


for testing instead I use the command line recommended by ZBalaton

here Odyssey with youtube:

https://youtu.be/KCpWJl9S7c4

@Maijestro
I received the email, now I'll try it right away, I have to figure out what's wrong.
the email has arrived, but you didn't send me YT there is no attachment.
Thank you

even if i tried with a clean install the problem always occurs with twitchTV.


Edited by white on 2023/4/19 19:27:44
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