Payback game: last CD batch

The last batch of Payback game on Amiga CD is available to buy at AmigaKit.com. Limited stock as there are no plans to make another production run.

Kas1e developed a Payback OS4 native port which requires this CD. The files can be found on OS4Depot

Product link: https://www.amigakit.com/product_info.php?products_id=872

I wonder if there is a MiniGL binary planned by Roman.
Last time I tried it didn't work on my Sam440

@samo
Payback uses warp3d directly, not minigl (which in end, use the same warp3d). So it make no sense to make use of minigl there, and there weren't any plan to introduce usage of another unnecessary level for.

But why it not work on sam440 with your gfx card - dunno. Maybe bad install ? At least it was tested on pegasos with radeon9250 together with x5000/x1000 with RadeonHD/RadeonRX

@kas1e
On which version of Payback is the OS4 version based on?
My powerpc.library includes tons of workarounds for other uttlerly broken Warp3D software as well, but the WarpOS/Warp3D version of Paypack was one of the worst, even worse than Heritic II.
Even the AmigaOS 3.x/m68k version worked much better on AmigaOS 4.x than then the WarpOS version did, except that neither sound nor joystick support worked with the m68k version but, at least partially, did with the WarpOS one and my WarpOS/Warp3D wrapper.
Of course using any m68k version of a game on AmigaOS 4.x is much slower than using a WarpOS/PPC one, but getting faster crashes with a WarpOS version doesn't help at all
Warp3D Nova may have changed a lot, and I never re-tested any of those ancient Warp3D software with it.

I already own 2 copys of payback but i was totally unaware about this os4 port.
Very nice!

@samo79

Hi, does it start or doesn't show/do nothing?

maybe you can retest with "latest" powerpc.library (https://github.com/Sakura-IT/PowerPCAmiga) its easy to build, or jurs ask here and can buid/upload somewhere.

@jabirulo

This version of Payback should be fully OS4 native, i don't think it needs powerpc.library (?)
I didn't started aniway, i will check what's going on

@kas1e

I was tried various ways but couldn't get it to work, I have a Radeon 9250 here
I may have done something wrong, I'll try again tomorrow

@samo79

ooops, you're right, was "thinking" on "old" WOS version (that worked somehow).
Yes the one at os4depot is native OS4.
Post here waht you get when running, maybe you need 1st to run Payback_Setup.OS4

@jabirulo

Btw the link you posted is the one for the Sonnet card, on OS4 to emulate WOS we need ReWarp

https://github.com/Sakura-IT/ReWarp

@Joerg
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Its fully os4 native version done from the very latest source code James (apex-design) send me to make OS4 version from it. Code StormC based (so gcc 2.x.x), lots of deprecated stuff, a bit of assembler (had to use PPC one in some places), and warp3d code were in some places takin into account that only radeon9250 can be "warp3d", so weren't too system friendly. + some bugs which arise only on os4 build as 68k one were forgiven for them (+ too old gcc).

Anyway, the point that it indeed didn't use anymore powerpc.library, as it just casual os4 elf now which use warp3d which i adapt to make works for RadeonHD/RX via novabridge or/and warp3d_si for HD cards. For older cards like 9250 it may not work, or renders wrong

edit: to add, sources were "generic" ones on StormC, just for 68k version were some assembler based routines (not many), and same routines by on PowerASM for PPC (those which i converted to MOT VASM to be able to compile objects which i then link with main binary after). So it was same sources mostly for both ppc and 68k version, just with some asm based routines like those copy ones, for 68k and ppc.

@kas1e

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Mmm didn't you test it on your old Pegasos 2 + Radeon 9x00 card before public release?
Maybe that's why it didn't work here

@samo79
By "not works" mean hardware (warp3d) rendering may behave wrong on older cards, but still game should work of course, i tested it on my peg2. All in all you also have software rendering in end of all. But to be honest i don't want to spend time to install it again on pegasos2 now, just to find that you didn't follow the readme and didn't install it correctly :) Try it firstly to install as in readme, then check if it runs at all, then if it software mode works, etc, etc.

@kas1e

Ok fiuuh i was able to make it working by carefully reinstalling everything from scratch
Software mode now seems more or less working, i need to check the joypad and so on, but atleast i was able to start playing for now

Hardware mode instead freeze the whole game on main screen as soon as i try to select an option...
It need a phisical reboot...
Also atleast in menu, everything (3D animation elements etc) looks much slower than in software mode

Minor problems found in both modes:

- At startup the mouse cursor still visible on screen, i need to do a simple left click to "disabled" it
Not a huge issue, but if i didn't click to hide it, then the game will not loading until i disable the mouse for good
- Would be nice if you can automatically disable the screenblanker when game still running

Got the CD, thank you for fast delivery and nice package!

I am not able to run the AOS 4.1-version, I get the message "unable to open audio.device".

I have followed the instructions.

Same answer as on os4depot.net then...

It's fine, I've played that game like crazy and it works through emulation etc.

Wonder if it's just an A1222-issue?

Using software-mode I got to see the "loading" screen untill the error-message.

Whatever the issue it's not a user-error it seems so I'll just leave it be.

@hotrod i managed to start the game using eaudio.device from amines. Otherwise I had the same issue on sam460. But the sound is choppy this way.

@jarokuczi

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

I got the CD Friday and installed it on my AmigaONE X5000... works great!

Got the cd as well, better late then never

Waiting for mine :D