Open sourced NVIDIA GPU driver

The news is that Haiku has got an initial port of NVIDIA's GPU driver: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/haiku-n ... g-nvidia-gpu-driver/16520

The driver supports wide range of Nvidia's graphics cards: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules. Looks like the very latest Nvidia graphics cards are supported.

Can we expect AmigaOS 4 port of the driver soon?

@jap

So, far as I know, the new AmigaOS4.x driver API is secret, you can’t build a driver, even if you want to, only the inner circle.

You know Nvidia is known to use binary blobs, this means it’s not fully open. Some parts were precompiled, this is why AMD graphics were the best option. Imagine, having to run partially the driver in a x86 emulator…

@jap
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Sure - all you need to do is pay Hans to do the job

ATI are the just GPU for Amiga.
Because it is the first chose for any innovative architecture, for example: XBox, apple, Sun, Silicon and Amiga.
ATIs are Open don't have firmware limits for limited use.
NVidia lies about the performance of the Quadros, they are just geforges with a slightly more open firmware.
Nvidia have a terrible configuration panel.
And more...

Not bad to have more graphics cards on Amiga, but from my point of view it's worth the effort.

It makes more sense to upgrade a little current Radeon drivers, for example have RadeonHD v.5 for A1222+ and Sam440ep-flex and H.265 decoder for Polaris cards.
And - if there are enough time and power - slowly develop driver for more modern AMD.

In any case, support for different cards ( like NVidia or AMD Navi ) has other obstacle: such cards must be supported also by fimware, not only in drivers.
It means, that such cards probably will never works on X1000.

@LiveForIt
Quote:Although next to nothing else of is left in AmigaOS 4.1 and was reimplemented in graphics.library instead, the only exception probably being the PIP support for old Voodoo 3/4/5, Radeon R100/R200 and a few Zorro gfx cards like the Merlin in Picasso96API.library (for example used in my MPlayer VOs), the APIs of the drivers (.board and .chip) are still the ones of P96.
All old P96 drivers still work on AmigaOS 4.1, especially on classic Amigas/WinUAE most gfx drivers included in AmigaOS 4.1, maybe even all for Zorro II/III cards, are even ancient m68k code since they were implemented in m68k assembler and never ported to C.
The small AmigaOS 4.x additions to the P96 driver API like compositing support are documented as well.

3D support may be something different, I don't know if there is documentation for implementing Warp3DNova drivers.

@joerg

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No I believe they added something extra, I got my driver noticed by AmigaOS, but crashes and does something strange when I select screen mode, I can’t get any help, because it was a secret I was told.

https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/ ... id=133940#forumpost133940

My idea was to create a alternative to the fake native modes.

Original P96 does not have composition, and that part is not documented for sure. Also AmigaOS4.x has DDC support, pretty sure that’s unique to OS4.x

https://github.com/khval/dummy.card

Talking about 3D graphics cards on AmigaOS is a joke.
Regardless of the two main companies AMD and NVIDIA
AMD has always opted for open and that's why it was chosen.

But the question I ask myself is:
Where is 3D on AmigaOS and which applications and games use 3D.

We are still talking about Quake at a distance of light years from what 3D is currently.

Light years means that from Earth to the Moon it will take us 3 seconds to reach it.

To reach Alpha Centauri it will take me 20,000 years here is the current situation of 3D on AmigaOS


Porting of Quake for 30 years.
I imagine that we AmigaOS users should be champions at playing Quake by now since that's all there is.

Let's hope

When PowerPPC came out with Voodoo, Metal Gear Solid 1 was released for PS1.

A game with PPC+Voodoo for AmigaOS has never been made

It's not a bad criticism but it's the reality


Not to mention when the PS2 came out I immediately took it clearly for MGS2.
"Hideo Kojima" should have just been whipped for what he did.
A disgrace then with time things changed and let's say that MGS2 has found its space in games.

The comparison is similar to PowerPPC + Voodoo not even a game for AmigaOS what was that Hardware made for at all.

It remains a mystery

@white

some 3d ports by hunoppc: https://hunoppc.amiga-projects.net/

entwickler: https://www.amiga-shop.net/en/Entwickler-X:.:44.html

and the typical quake,doom and alike ports (os4deopt IIRC)

@jabirulo
Of course, work must always be respected.
it was just the underlying philosophy.

The proof of everything is Nintendo.
Hardware always old based on the competition.
But games of the highest level.
This shows that you don't always necessarily need a latest generation Hardware.

Not to mention that Nintendo brought out "Pokemon" the cartoon.
Not the game.

Thanks to the Pokemon cartoon, Nintendo managed to stay afloat.

Maybe not everyone knows this.

Because today if you read about Metal Gear Solid 2 on Youtube you find good opinions all in all.
But for those like me and others of my generation when I saw that Metal Gear Solid 2 was actually a completely different game I would have thrown the PS2 out the window.
And I'm serious
Then it's normal that I didn't do it I had paid for it by working
But it was the biggest joke of all time MGS2 that wasn't MGS2.

At the time the reviews were devastating today it's all forgotten

doing a quick calculation with the euro the cost of PS2+MGS2 cost 500 euros when it arrived on the market in 2000, 25 years have passed.
One curse after another

@All

I would just like to clarify that my criticism is directed towards those who managed AmigaOS and certainly not towards the users who still dedicate their time to keeping the machine alive.
Don't get me wrong

@whiteQuote:

I apologize if I'm misunderstanding, but do you mean that it's better to do nothing new unless there are more applications that will use at least the computing power of current hardware?

Interesting point of view. Fortunately for humanity, there are still people who do things because they enjoy it.

@sailor

I mean there are few developers to do interesting things for AmigaOS or to make it interesting.

And probably also the use of hardware exploitation is limited by the most advanced hardware knowledge of the developers because there are few of them left.

I'll give you an example when "Unreal Engine" came out, the first one I made the levels with the editor that was included in the game, obviously I made them public for free.
A bit like the Quake editor, the Unreal Engine was more powerful.
Later the Unreal Engine 2 came out with the game Unreal 2.
And my dream of making more and more beautiful levels was shattered because it wasn't the Unreal 2 editor that was difficult.
But it was the new way of making levels, simpler but more difficult because it required programs like MAYA 3D, obviously I got a copy. But it was too difficult to learn.
Lightwave3D was also fine but MAYA 3D was recommended.
In addition you also had to learn how to make skins for objects.
Basically if you wanted to use Unreal 2 you had to be good with 3D and also 2D graphics programs.

Unlike the first Unreal Engine where it certainly wasn't easy but the editor tools, enemy triggers, lights and clearly small drafts on paper were enough.
But external 3D Modeling programs were not needed.

Here I say that already with Voodoo 3 probably apart from porting.
Making games from scratch for AmigaOS had become more complicated I imagine.

I imagine a game like Octopath Traveler 1&2 could be developed with the current AmigaOS hardware (I think)
see the trailers if you don't know them:

Octopath Traveler 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XOwuf7PfNw

Octopath Traveler 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quR-NghvOPs

Octopath Traveler 1&2 : Series Surpasses 5 Million Copies Sold.


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@LiveForIt

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But that was more than two years ago; I'd try the "new Hyperion" - they could - heck, should! - be more aproachable.

@sailorQuote:

Southern Islands and Polaris cards also have VCE ASIC which isn't utilised in Amiga OS. I don't know if it's part of A-EON/Han's to create an API and drivers to enable hardware video encoding.

Hardware video encoding support brings the possiblity of more capable video editing software or SRec (screen recorder) having VCE support.

Supporting additional cards brings new headaches for no real gains in terms of new system capabilities.

@trixie

No, ben was approachable, we talked about many things, and we agreed on many things, it was that he wanted me to work for him, I did not for many reasons.

I do things for fun, the moment I do something because someone else has asked me to, it goes from being a hobby to being actual work.

I feel sometimes a little bit burned out from my day job (I answer questions all day long). And I feel working in isolation won’t be good for me.