New graphics cards supported by AmigaOS 4 final?

If I am not completely wrong AmigaOS 4 final should have support for more graphics card via Mesa/OpenGL. Is there anyone here who can say if cards like Radeon 9500 or 9700 will be supported? Or is revealing such information a violation of the NDA?

The reason to why I wonder is that I have a Radeon 9100. I bet that the card is supported by the new 3D-drivers but the fan is giving up and rather than replacing the fan I am planning to buy a new graphics card. All the cards currently supported by Warp3D is slower than a Radeon 9100 and I was hoping to get a faster card.

@Niolator
welcome to amigans

good question btw
I have a 9800 waiting to go in my A1 it works in 2D but of course no 3D
would love to see this card perform in my A1

@poweramiga: I guess your 9800 works with 3.3v. My Radeon 9600XT from Sapphire didn?t output any picture at all. I think it is because it didn?t support 3.3v. But after what I have read on the Internet I can consider myself lucky that nothing broke on the graphics card.

The reference card from ATI supports 3.3v but obviously not all other brands.

@poweramiga

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Me too, but remembering post from the devs, it's not part of
the 3D software (MESA/OpenGL) but rather the drivers which
have yet to be written for the R3xx chips

See also: Chip info on Radeon's

@Niolator

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Yup, the devs at Hyperion

I'm afraid that you have to wait for new drivers as the 9500
and 9700 also use the yet to be supported R2xx chip series

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Yes, that?s what I have been doing lately.

I guess I?ll have to buy a Radeon 9200 or 9250 as the fan issue is getting worse all the time. I just expect it to stop working any minute now. The card sounds really bad at startup and the entire motherboard is vibrating. That is why I haven?t used my AmigaOne as often as I would like lately.

@Niolator

Yes, get a 9200 or 9250, they're more than enough for what's available now (Freespace, Quake3, Crisot demos, etc.) and IMHO it will take a couple of years after OS4.0 gets released for games to come which need more than that.

@Niolator

Well, as i don't like fans on gfx cards (they are all noisy
as hell) and as i have silence my A1 completely, i put this
baby on my 9800, never had problems, though yet to be tested
when the 3D chip kicks in...you loose a PCI port but you win
silence

What i'm trying to say is, drop the fan, get heatpipes,
they ain't expensive

ssolie: That is enough of the zico stuff from you. You know it is in the distance past and gone. Warning #1.

I had the 8500 and they fan on that was making screeching noises.

Just disconnect the fan on it as we dont have ANY software that will push it to the max.

Or..

Get a 9250 like I did. You will then be able to play the Quake series etc.

@RomanceClip

As said the Zico spec now applies to nothing, back in the old days I think it was to get people buying machines that were capable of running AmigaDE ( Intent ). It has no more bearing on the Amiga scene and it is probably best to forget it ( apart from remembering what Amino were like... ).

Hyperion were working with some people providing something called SNAP ( ? ) which is supposed to provide basic support for most graphics cards out there.

The Radeon series are the best supported, followed by the old Voodoo.

I don't know about the old Matrox cards, maybe one of the beta testers can comment?

@Outcast
Did the same.

Swapped the AGP8500 I bought back in late 2002 for a AGP9250 this summer.
No noticable difference in 2D quality.

@Romance:

No, the only brands supported are Radeon and Voodoo. The reason is that they are the only two manufacturers who are prepared to release technical information that allows us to write drivers for them.

Do any of the possible NG Amiga's actually have AGP slots on them to support cards like the 9700/9800 anyway?

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@Tonyw
@Mitch

Thank you for answering my questions (without biting my head off!)

While I am slightly annoyed about the Matrox - at least I can understand the technical reasons behind it as you guys have explained it to me.

@Romanceclip
how about using a every now and then i noticed just about every one of your posts have this
gets a little offensive every post !!!!

consider this a second warning

No problem. The Zico stuff has been used as a stick to beat Amiga OS users with for ages so I guess it is still a sore spot.

@Topic
I would recommed you a Radeon 9000 (or PRO) for the AmigaOne, because it is a chaep and fast graphic card for os4 in 3D and 2D.

@RomanceClip
Sorry OT:
This smile -> is more suitable. Look at the most Heino pictures.
http://www.empty-handed.com/images/archive/heino.jpg
http://www.herzenswuensche.de/Presse/ ... hwpresse/maximg/heino.jpg
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/images/dynamic/news/artikel/239401.jpg

PS: I like your avatar.

For me that is not a sore spot, because my Eyetech
AmigaOne is exactly and even better as that zico-stuff.

I think it was meant to give an idea what way we did
had to go with the new Amiga hardware.

And as we now look at the SAM440 and the Micro AmigaOne,
well who would have thought that those designs would be the
ones to follow.

It was just a snapshot of what could have been a start.

Edit: look at the two systems:

The zico specification are as follows;

One AmigaDE friendly host processor (PPC, x86, Arm, SH4, MIPS)
64MB+ memory
Next Generation Matrox graphics card
Creative EMU10K1 based audio card
10 GB+ HD
CD/DVD
USB 1.0
Firewire
10/100 Mbps Ethernet
56k modem
Spare PCI slots for expandibility

My Eyetech AmigaOne specification are as follows;

One Amiga OS 4.0 friendly host processor (PPC)
64MB+ memory
AGP or PCI Next Generation Radeon or Vodoo graphics card
Creative EMU10K1 based audio card or better
10 GB+ HD
CD/DVD
USB 1.0
(no Firewire)
10/100 Mbps Ethernet
(no 56k modem)
Spare PCI slots for expandibility

@AmigaPapst:
Yeah, I was on the hunt for a Radeon 9000pro or a 9200 but it seems as they are really hard to find (at least here in Sweden), especially a Radeon 9000pro. I would prefer that as it is the fastest card currently supported by Warp3D.

But if the most graphics intensive games available for the AmigaOne doesn?t demand more than a Radeon 9250 I will have to settle with that for now. Radeon 9250?s are really just marginally slower than a Radeon 9000/9200.

@Jurassicc & Outcast:
The reason to why I am scrapping my Radeon 9100 is that it is not supported by Warp3d and who knows, the same bug that causes it to not work in Warp3D might be there in Mesa/OpenGL for AmigaOS 4 too.

@neon32:

The AmigaOne motherboard has a universal AGP-port (at least the XE, I have never seen a micro).

The problem is that it outputs 3.3v only so it would not be wise to try a card that only supports 1.5v (AGP 4x) or 0.8v (AGP 8x) as I did. Radeon 9500 and Radeon 9700 does support 3.3v as they are universal cards so they should work fine in an AmigaOne.

The Radeon 9600 and 9800 series are also supposed to support 3.3v but that is obviously dependent on which company who manufacture them. There are people who uses Radeon 9600?s and 9800 in their AmigaOnes as you can see on Inuitionbase.com (of course only in 2D yet).