USB and OS 4.1

Hi all,

The first difference I noticed is I can plug my cowon A3 (pmp usb device) at any moment, before or after the os4.1 is loaded. I have no fixed A1. My device is always attached whatever ports I use, front or rear. The only difference is when I plug my A3 in
the front ports, it is seen by Uboot.

BUT, like before in OS 4.0, I can't use my A3 on amiga. I have no icon or assign.
I would understand, I read the usb documentation in OS4.1 cd but nothing is helpful.

Let help me understand. Is it a hardware or software problem ?
There are the informations I have.

from T:usb.log

: [11:56:45] USB stack | | ==========
I: [11:56:45] USB stack | | USB System Software Task started
I: [11:56:45] USB stack | | Starting HCDs...
I: [11:56:45] USB stack | | ...HCDs started.
I: [11:56:45] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x6FF86A00 is {Vendor: 0x0000, Product: 0x0000, Class: 09.00}
I: [11:56:45] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x6FF86BE0 is {Vendor: 0x0000, Product: 0x0000, Class: 09.00}
I: [11:56:45] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x6FF86A00 initialized
I: [11:56:45] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x6FF86BE0 initialized
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | All ports are empty
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | All ports are empty
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | Sys_EndInitialAttachmentPhase | Initial USB Attachment Phase terminated
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 1 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 2 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 1 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 2 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 1 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 1 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] hub.usbfd | HUB | Hub port 2 disabled - port is empty.
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | USB System Software Process started.
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | Reading FD descriptors...
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | FD infos read
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | Starting HCDs...
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | ...HCDs started.
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | Sys_EndInitialAttachmentPhase | Initial USB Attachment Phase terminated
I: [11:56:45] USB stack Process | | USB stack fullbooted
I: [11:56:47] hub.usbfd | HUB | Device found on hub port 2.
I: [11:56:47] hub.usbfd | Hub port | Device at port 2 is full-speed.
I: [11:56:47] hub.usbfd | HUB | Device on hub port 2 succesfully added.
I: [11:56:47] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x677903D0 is {Vendor: 0x210E, Product: 0x2010, Class: 00.00}
I: [11:56:47] USB Fkt Init | Init Fkt | Fkt 0x677903D0 initialized


from usbInspector

fonctionnality tab :
masstorage
I have the serail number, the name of the product.
classe : masstorage
sub class : 6
driver : none

Topology tab :

uhci.usbhcd unit 0
COWON A3
product, serial number, version number
class : multi class
sub class : 0
Mode : "Useable ?" ("Disponible" in french)
driver : none




That's all. Thank you for reading and helping.

Jesus

@yescop

To be honest, youre device should have been mounted.. for the SubClass 6, is supported.

I can currently help you.

RWO

@rwo

Thanks for your answer. So subclass 6 is ok.

I must say that normally the device should be mounted but it is not the case. That's why I posted this message to try to understand.
I hope some guys at Hyperion will see my post and answer it if they are not too busy for an update to OS4.1 ...

@yescop

BUT, like before in OS 4.0, I can't use my A3 on amiga. I have no icon or assign.I would understand, I read the usb documentation in OS4.1 cd but nothing is helpful.

I guess not! Did you ever think of reading the specs?
COWON A3 video/music player
http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/a3/tech_specs.html
USB Interface
USB Device/Host
USB 2.0 High Speed

Hello! I bet that's the reason why! USB 2.0 is in development by RWO IIRC!

I hate plug&play!

@Snuffy

USB is supposed to be backward compatible (as SCSI) so USB2 devices will work on USB1.1 but on USB1.1 mode

@Lio

USB2 devices will work on USB1.1

No! It's a SubClass 6 device. Do you read!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Host Controllers
During the design phase of USB 2.0, the USB-IF insisted on only one implementation. The USB 2.0 HCD implementation is called the Enhanced Host Controller Interface (EHCI). Only EHCI can support hi-speed (480 Mbit/s) transfers.

We don't have this driver yet!

@rwo

Hi again,

In the last post, Snuffy seems to write that you are writing some USB stuff.
Is it right ? If yes, what do you want to do ?
Can I test something ? or when do you think to show to something ?

As you see, I am impatient...

@Snuffy

Hi, Thank you for your remarks. We begin to understand.

But as Lio wrote to you, normally USB 2 is compatible with USB 1.1 and nothing in the Cowon link you provide talks about incompatibility.

Do you know why in USB inspector, I have subclass 6 and subclass 0 in the other tab ?

@yescop

Yes I'm proberly the only one at the moment, looking into usb (when I take the time).

I havent really havent looked at MassStorage, so I can't really tell what when wrong.

About SubClass 0 and 6.

If you have SubClass 0 in the Function, it means you will find the info In the Interfaces. Or in other word, if you got SubClass 0, look else where to find Class info.

A Class of FF means it Vendor Specific and need a special driver.

RWO

@rwo

Rene... help me to that other problem with Zen mp3 player.. ;)
Now we can understand what is wrong.. in public.. :D

@rwo

Can you give any word if/when USB2.0 will be available for the A1/Sam? Thanks...

Hi @afxgroup

Zen mp3 player ?

I thought about this one, but decided cheaper was always better for the A1. So, I got the 'COBY MP3Player'. It works real well with the current USB. It only requires valid ID3 tags.

@Snuffy

Cowon A2, cowon X5L and Cowon I7 work great with classic amiga and spider2 with the great Poseidon with USB 2.0 or 1.1 used. USB HDD 80go and 160go work also great. In fact, ALL work great with the great Poseidon and chris is my GOD .

As soon an owner of a sam, I understand now (by reading this thread) that I will continue to use the classic for USB because I don't think I will have the chance to have USB working with all my USB hardware....

BTW, after having my new SAM, I wil propose my help to test with my hardware for a better support about USB with AOS4.1 ,if needed....

- There is a place with RWO and AOS4.X users could share USB problems and test beta versions for USB on AOS4.X ???


As RWO said he is alone on USB for AOS4.x and no free time to see USB, why not having a contact with chris Hodges/poseidon author and ask him some help ????

- Why not transforming the poseidon 68k bounty also for AOS4 and not only for AROS. IMHO, this bounty, with help from chris, will be filled in a few days if all known that the best on the amiga world about USB will work together and with poseidon 68k sources as examples ???

bye

Hi all,
Speedy USB 3.0 spec to be unveiled November 17th.
http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/11846 ... m_act=convert&om_clk=news

@Mrodfr

- There is a place with RWO and AOS4.X users could share USB problems and test beta versions for USB on AOS4.X ???

Ask him by PM.

As RWO said he is alone on USB for AOS4.x and no free time to see USB, why not having a contact with chris Hodges/poseidon author and ask him some help ????

Can't help you or anyone there.

- Why not transforming the poseidon 68k bounty also for AOS4 and not only for AROS. IMHO, this bounty, with help from chris, will be filled in a few days if all known that the best on the amiga world about USB will work together and with poseidon 68k sources as examples ???

Umm, did you ever try asking Amiga Inc. management about any of these topics?