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AmiCygnix startup wait?
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Sorry to be so basic here. But I don't think this was really covered in the "Cygnix . . . doesn't do anything" thread.

How long should it take for Cygnix to show its screen once the startup script is executed? Usually I get a pop up saying the X-server couldn't be started. Then some time after clicking that away, I get an X11 screen. But all it is is a crudely dithered gray (alternating chunky black and white "pixels") with no real output.

Then if I click back to the Workbench screen and execute the start Xami.bat script, it will finally bring up the actual X screen.

I have an icon out for the Abiword startup.bat script. If that's the first thing to get clicked, the process follows the same pattern described above.

So, in essence:

1. How long should it take for Cygnix to show up?
2. I just installed the 4.1 SDK in hopes it might make a difference, but it doesn't change anything in the Cygnix startup.
3. Note I have no real complaints about using Cygnix once it's running. I mainly use Abiword, and iyt's reasonably fast considering the "dual" environment setting it's running under.

So thanks CygnusEd. This is great stuff.

But is there a way to speed up the startup?

Here's my relevant userstartup settings in 4.1:

;BEGIN AmigaOS 4.1 SDK
assign SDK: System:SDK
execute SDK:S/sdk-startup
;END AmigaOS 4.1 SDK

;BEGIN Cygnix
assign Cygnix: "Programs:Cygnix"
path Programs:Cygnix/CygnixPPC/local/bin ADD
path Programs:Cygnix/CygnixPPC/bin ADD
path Programs:Cygnix/CygnixPPC/X11R6.3/bin ADD
;execute Programs:Cygnix/s/Cygnix-Startup
;END Cygnix

Paul

edited to reflect commenting out 6th line of Cygnix user-startup info. Booting hung up when I tried to do it with the "execute" enabled.


Edited by Paul on 2009/3/7 20:27:33
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Re: AmiCygnix startup wait?
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@Paul

AmiCygnix needs about 8 seconds here from double click on the icon to a fully initialized desktop.
Config: AOne XE G4/800Mhz.

I guess you use the script "Start_AmiCygnix.bat" to launch AmiCygnix? Then the problem is, that the X server cannot be started. Please try to launch the server from a shell with:

xgeekppc :0 -screen Picasso96@1024x768x16

You should see an error message if there is a problem.

If you use the script "Start_XAmi.bat", then you have probably installed the XAmi package somewhere and this X server is used for AmiCygnix. This server is limited and slower than the server provided with AmiCygnix.

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@cygnusEd

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@Paul

AmiCygnix needs about 8 seconds here from double click on the icon to a fully initialized desktop.
Config: AOne XE G4/800Mhz.


And if that on a SAM

I installed the base archive and the extra archive and double clicked etc and bang, worked from day one.

I did have the SDK already installed prior to performing the above.

Now I really must get a proper darn printer

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@Slayer

is ther anyway to use cygnix programs on ther own screens or in window mode in wb ?

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@Slayer

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And if that on a SAM


Interesting question. Can someone tell me, how long the startup needs on a SAM?

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I installed the base archive and the extra archive and double clicked etc and bang, worked from day one.

I did have the SDK already installed prior to performing the above.

Now I really must get a proper darn printer


Whow - someone, who has no problems

Is the SDK still working? spotUp told me, that the SDK didn't work anymore after he installed AmiCygnx.

A printer is a problems these days. You could use a postscript printer with AmiCygnix.

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@retro

The X server can open it's display in a PIP (overlay) window on the workbench and on a custom screen.

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@cygnusEd

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@Slayer

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And if that on a SAM


Interesting question. Can someone tell me, how long the startup needs on a SAM?


At least 24 seconds on my Sam.

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I installed the base archive and the extra archive and double clicked etc and bang, worked from day one.

I did have the SDK already installed prior to performing the above.

Now I really must get a proper darn printer


Whow - someone, who has no problems

Is the SDK still working? spotUp told me, that the SDK didn't work anymore after he installed AmiCygnx.

A printer is a problems these days. You could use a postscript printer with AmiCygnix.

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@cygnusEd

I don't have any problems with SDK and AmiCygnix. I uploaded a crashlog of Idesk to os4depot because it crashes quite often on my system.

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@cygnusEd

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AmiCygnix needs about 8 seconds here from double click on the icon to a fully initialized desktop.
Config: AOne XE G4/800Mhz.

Same harddware here. 512 RAM. Takes about 2 minutes for a blank xscreen to appear tonight if I click the Abiword start icon. But so far Abiword itself hasn't started.

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I guess you use the script "Start_AmiCygnix.bat" to launch AmiCygnix? Then the problem is, that the X server cannot be started. Please try to launch the server from a shell with:

xgeekppc :0 -screen Picasso96@1024x768x16

You should see an error message if there is a problem.

Using this from a shell, actually nothing happens, whether I run it from the prompt set at the cygnix directory or from the Amiga system prompt. (I've added the Cygnix stuff to the path in the startup-sequence}

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If you use the script "Start_XAmi.bat", then you have probably installed the XAmi package somewhere and this X server is used for AmiCygnix. This server is limited and slower than the server provided with AmiCygnix.

Since my first question here, I have removed everything Cygnix related (as far as I know) and re-installed from scratch. This time it didn't put ANYTHING in user-startup. I copied back what I posted above and put it in user-startup again.

BTW, that X window that came up when I started this message finished up loading the panels, background, etc within seconds of clicking on the Xami-startup script.

Was Xami part of the 1st gen Cygnix stuff? Otherwise, I don't remember installing any Xserver stuff since I tried Wolf Faust's stuff years ago on my A4000.

Paul

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@cygnusEd

a million times thanks.
i havent playet much with amicygnix,but i tryet the x11 thing.. maby i just dident know how to do it..


is it very complicatet ??

i am thinking of making a menu in the start bar with the name amicygnix and then start bat?s to all the program, with a pre setup to a custum screen or maby window mode for some of the small apps, for eath program

sorry for my bad english

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On my Pegasos 2, it takes only 4 seconds to display the full desktop with full of software's icons. Without the IDE patch, it's a bit slower.

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@Valiant

24 seconds on a Sam?
Something is wrong with your setup.
Have you got DMA enabled?

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It's 7 seconds on my A1SE-G3CXe 600 MHz.

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@Valiant


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At least 24 seconds on my Sam.


Thanks! Hmm - that's slow. Are the AmiCygnix programs usable for you?


@daff

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On my Pegasos 2, it takes only 4 seconds to display the full desktop with full of software's icons.


4 seconds??? Damn - I want a Pegasos 2


@TiredOfLife

How fast is it on your SAM?


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I don't have any problems with SDK and AmiCygnix. I uploaded a crashlog of Idesk to os4depot because it crashes quite often on my system.


Had a look at the crashlog, but it didn't help me much. Could you do the same with an unstripped binary? I'll send you a PM with a link to a binary with debugging informations.

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AmiCygnix only takes a few seconds to start on my Sam440ep. Certainly not 24s.

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Same harddware here. 512 RAM. Takes about 2 minutes for a blank xscreen to appear tonight if I click the Abiword start icon. But so far Abiword itself hasn't started.


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Using this from a shell, actually nothing happens, whether I run it from the prompt set at the cygnix directory or from the Amiga system prompt. (I've added the Cygnix stuff to the path in the startup-sequence}


What does nothing mean? Does the command return to the shell or does it freeze?
I suggest to use Snoopy to find out what happens while startup. Can you post a log here?

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Since my first question here, I have removed everything Cygnix related (as far as I know) and re-installed from scratch. This time it didn't put ANYTHING in user-startup. I copied back what I posted above and put it in user-startup again.


There is something deeply wrong. Did you use the installer script for installation? Which mode did you use (advanced, expert)?

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Was Xami part of the 1st gen Cygnix stuff? Otherwise, I don't remember installing any Xserver stuff since I tried Wolf Faust's stuff years ago on my A4000.


No, Xami was never part of Cygnix/AmiCygnix. There was only this startup script for XAmi users.

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i havent playet much with amicygnix,but i tryet the x11 thing.. maby i just dident know how to do it..


What do you mean with X11 thing?? AmiCygnix works wonly with X window.

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i am thinking of making a menu in the start bar with the name amicygnix and then start bat?s to all the program, with a pre setup to a custum screen or maby window mode for some of the small apps, for eath program

sorry for my bad english


There are several way to do this. You could create a special script to launch AbiWord in a WB display.

Example:


Echo "Launching X server..."

Run >NIL: Cygnix:CygnixPPC/X11R6.3/bin/XGeekPPC :0 -pri 0 -screen Picasso96PIP@832x600x16

Cygnix:CygnixPPC/X11R6.3/bin/WaitForX

Echo "Launching window manager (openbox) ..."

Run >NIL: Cygnix:CygnixPPC/bin/openbox

Echo "Launching AbiWord ..."

Cygnix:CygnixPPC/bin/abiword >NIL: --geometry=832x600+0+0

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Could you do the same with an unstripped binary? I'll send you a PM with a link to a binary with debugging informations.

Done. (I replaced the original crashlog with new one.)

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@cygnusEd

Usually between 5 and 8 seconds.
Depends what else is running at the time.

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Didn't think I'd be coming back to this thread. But a really odd thing happened.

AmiCygnix now opens in a matter of about 2-3 seconds for me. That's as opposed to 2-3 minutes or more before.

Before what, you ask? The router on my home system died. After I replaced it, suddenly AmiCygnix was working like a champ. General surfing was a lot faster, too. But this unintended and unexpected result with Cygnix is just weird! (nice weird, but still weird)

Paul

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