Trying to go at translate.google.com. There is some strange scroll-bar line at bottom. When i move it, memguard say "box scroll start". In owb there is no such scroll-line at bottom. Also words "translate" (in russian its "перевести"), in OWB at the same place where to/from language choice, in netsurf, it jumps over it. Here is 2 screenshots of it:
Also, in OWB, it translate automaticaly (i not need to press on "translate" buttons), while in netsurf, i need press on translate button. Also in OWB, you have button over translate text, for write it on Latin, but in netsurf, no button, just latin text without ask. And buttons itself looks a bit like "os3.9" look, while buttons in owb looks a bit modern and more smooth/crisp.
On the main google page, buttons looks the same and nice, but few marks in netsurf are not present and not works at all. For example in OWB, over the "settings" i have in owb little dropdown icon, pressing on which give me some more settings. I think its JS again ..
@Crhis Or for example i check my current mail on www (russian site called "yandex.ru"), and while all looks ok, the name which i write , not centered in netsurf (but in OWB is it), but if i resize the main netsurf window, then name start to be centered. Example screens:
Trying to go at translate.google.com. There is some strange scroll-bar line at bottom. When i move it, memguard say "box scroll start".
That's a known layout issue caused by lack of a dynamic layout engine. The "box scroll start" is some debug I inserted way back when I started this project, I finally know when that is called, thank you
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Also, in OWB, it translate automaticaly (i not need to press on "translate" buttons), while in netsurf, i need press on translate button.
Javascript.
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And buttons itself looks a bit like "os3.9" look, while buttons in owb looks a bit modern and more smooth/crisp.
That's down to the page using default CSS for those elements. If you look in Resources/amiga.css you will see the design code for the buttons (there may be others that aren't present - have a look in default.css - don't update them there though). "select" is the one you are referring to.
Anybody who fancies tweaking those to look a bit more "OS4.1" is welcome to do so. However, I will say that I'd like the drop-down selection gadget to not look like an ordinary button. Send me the changes or post them here...
Out of the six posted so far, there are only two which need raising - the BBC box location issue, and the Yandex input box text centring. Both are pretty minor layout issues and probably easy to fix.
@Chris Also try plz to go at http://reviews.cnet.com/ in netsurf and in owb. In owb all looks good -looking (with white background), but in netsurf, some background over all the categories. And banner which is near of categories by the right side, a bit not on the same line as categories (in owb all they on the same line).
@samo79 Dunno.. Of course bugs are good to post always, just to make developers more in details how it works currently, but real interest will be here to catch all the problems, when JS will coming. And for sure, some bugs we not need to report for now, because they are known by developers, just because almost every site have some mistakes there and there (not big ones, but still).
@Chris If you as developer of os4 version in interest, i think i (and saimo) can posts all the problems in that topic which we will found, but you need add it to bugtracker. Not that i are lazy or kind, just you know better how describe all of this and so on.
Out of the six posted so far, there are only two which need raising - the BBC box location issue, and the Yandex input box text centring. Both are pretty minor layout issues and probably easy to fix.
Well if so it's better than i expected !
@kas1e
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And for sure, some bugs we not need to report for now, because they are known by developers, just because almost every site have some mistakes there and there (not big ones, but still).
Exactly tovarish, this is the difficult part, we need to understand well which bugs have to be reported and which not yet (cause already know as NetSurf limitation, lacks of Javascript and so on..)
BTW: Chris for the next release is it possible to use by default a bigger font for NetSurf, the one availible on OWB is quite good
cinema.com: mmm, not sure about that one. It is splitting the links over more than one line because the search box gets in the way. The search box gets in the way because the spacing is handled by a Google ad (which gets called by Javascript and thus doesn't show in NetSurf, losing the spacing). I think this is dumb coding on the website, and not anything NetSurf is doing wrong.
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If you as developer of os4 version in interest, i think i (and saimo) can posts all the problems in that topic which we will found, but you need add it to bugtracker. Not that i are lazy or kind, just you know better howdescribe all of this and so on.
I know as much about the NetSurf layout engine as you do (ie. nothing at all). My reports will be identical to yours.
@samo79
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Exactly tovarish, this is the difficult part, we need to understand well which bugs have to be reported and which not yet (cause already know as NetSurf limitation, lacks of Javascript and so on..)
If they've already been reported they will be on the bugtracker already. If it's a Javascript thing the way to tell is to switch Javascript off on the other browser you are using to compare.
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BTW: Chris for the next release is it possible to use by default a bigger font for NetSurf, the one availible on OWB is quite good
There's nothing wrong with the font , it's DejaVu Sans which is guaranteed to be available under OS4 (well, unless the idiot user has deleted it ). You can change it to Arial if you wish, but that's not necessarily installed.
You can tweak the font and size in preferences under the font tab. The initial sizes are set by the core, I do recommend bumping the "default" and "minimum" sizes up a bit though - 14/10 works well here, but I'm still on 1024x768.
There's nothing wrong with the font , it's DejaVu Sans which is guaranteed to be available under OS4 (well, unless the idiot user has deleted it ). You can change it to Arial if you wish, but that's not necessarily installed.
I second with Samos suggestion : by default OWB have nice sets of font size/names (and i think they all also default for OS4). That not big deal of course, but just when you run netsurf frist time, everything are so small.. Its just about "first impression from users".
PS. If you have fixed memguard-crasehs on exit (which happenes btw as well as with graphics version, and with cairo one) , can i get it from you by mail or kind ? (so i can do some more testings in free time, and commit bugs on bugtraker).
If they've already been reported they will be on the bugtracker already. If it's a Javascript thing the way to tell is to switch Javascript off on the other browser you are using to compare.
I can't with OWB but it's possible with Firefox, but also without Javascript Firefox tend to show the pages very well, evidently isn't only a Javascript issue
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You can tweak the font and size in preferences under the font tab. The initial sizes are set by the core, I do recommend bumping the "default" and "minimum" sizes up a bit though - 14/10 works well here, but I'm still on 1024x768.
Yes infact i use 14/10 settings, 14 for "normal" font is ok, but 10 for small fonts isn't that good, expecially with my video resolution (1680*1050)
Now you can say, increase the small to 11 or 12 !
But if i do it, then the small fonts become too big and tend to change the original layout of the page too mutch ...
Conversely OWB from this point of view is quite perfect
I haven't. After many months of blaming my scheduler code, I've decided it's probably a core issue. I need to log it.
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Yes infact i use 14/10 settings, 14 for "normal" font is ok, but 10 for small fonts isn't that good, expecially with my video resolution (1680*1050)
Now you can say, increase the small to 11 or 12 !
No, I wouldn't say that, I'd say increase the "default" some more.
The "default" size is the size used for text at "normal" sizes. All other font sizes are calculated from this initial value, so changing that value changes the size of all text. The minimum value just stops text being any smaller than that. You don't want to raise it too close to the "default" or small text won't be any smaller than the rest of the text on the page.
Is link above for morphos OS? Or not for special OS? I can use it on Linux OS?
Don't know if it contains Linux code too, but yes this is the MorphOS source, if you need help with Linux i think that Amigans.net isn't your forum, this is an AmigaOS website only
Did you try to contact Mario Bensi ? Mario is one of the main OWB developer, you can find his mail on the various changelog (check the ChangeLog files in archive)
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