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Amigo1

Posted on: 2011/5/31 18:46 #1

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So I have bought this new 2TB hard drive which is mainly meant to be used as Storage for photos and documents.

Now, I want to share the disk between my Mac, Amiga's and possibly use it as NAS (my router can be configured to share a disk once it's connected to its USB port)

Since some files (VMWare files) are possibly going to exceed the 4gb size, FAT32 is not so welcome. I could however split some files and use a sparse bundle image.

The only other possibility I see, is to use EXT2, in order to have read/write access to my data on every system.

I know there is an NTFS filesystem "driver" on Aminet, but it has no write support. On mac there is the same problem unless I buy the commercial NTFS driver (I was not able to make the NTFS-3G filesystem work with MacFuse).

That said, I partitioned the drive with ubuntu an created one single big EXT2-partition. My Router can see it, as does my Mac, but i'm not able to mount it on OS4.

USB-masstorage-Device tries to mount it but there seems no way to add a filesystem.

I got ext2 from aminet, Created a mountlist, but it tells me USBx is already mounted. (no mountlist in Devs: nor in Devs:DOSDrivers.

Any idea? Or should I reformat and repartition the drive? But I dislike to have 2 or more partitions because I can not predict which partitions will grow more.

Thanks

p.s. I'm posting this on AW too..

gerograph

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/5/31 20:47 #2

Not too shy to talk

@Amigo1

maybe I am wrong, but if you connect your HD to a router, then it will be handled as some sort of "Network Share" or "FTP mount".... ? Or Am I wrong ? If so, you need Samba or FTPmount on AmigaOS, but once again maybe you have got another config ?

I never tried to configure a USB-(external)HD with ext2, I only did a partition of my internal one. This is my mountlist:


/* ** DosDriver automatically created by GiggleDisk ** ** GiggleDisk (c)2005 Guido Mersmann ** */  

FileSystem       = L:EXT2FileSystem 

Device           = sii3114ide.device 

Unit             = 0 BlockSize        = 512 

Surfaces         = 3 

SectorsPerBlock  = 1 

BlocksPerTrack   = 16 

Reserved         = 2 

PreAlloc         = 0 

Interleave       = 0 

MaxTransfer      = 0x7FFFFFFF 

Mask             = 0xFFFFFFFE 

LowCyl           = 3301389 

HighCyl          = 3472179 

Buffers          = 600 BufMemType       = 1 StackSize        = 16384 

Priority         = 0 

GlobVec          = -1 

DosType          = 0x45585432 

Activate         = 1 

Mount            = 0 /* Bootable      = FALSE */

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/5/31 21:25 #3

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thanks for the reply,

There is not problem in reading the hard drive over the router using FTP.

My problem is connecting it directly to the Amiga, I don't want to have to need additional hardware (aka the router) to read my files.

I'll look into your mountlist but I guess the problem is the USB-stack.

Maybe some dev can tell if it's possible to tell/add another filessystem to the USB-Stack.

ZeroG

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/5/31 21:57 #4

Not too shy to talk

@Amigo1
Quote:

new 2TB hard drive

You need to use td64patch or the ext2
filesystem will fail at the 4GB limit. http://os4depot.net/index.php?functio ... ver/storage/td64patch.lha

Quote:

I got ext2 from aminet, Created a mountlist, but it tells me USBx is already mounted. (no mountlist in Devs: nor in Devs:DOSDrivers.

The USBx mountfiles are created and automounted on-the-fly by the usb-stack. If you want to use another filesystem you need to dismount USBx that was created by the usb-stack using the DISMOUNT command.

BTW: My system is unstable after dismounting USBx -> make some tests before you store something important on the harddisk.

salass00

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/1 10:56 #5

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@Amigo1

Neither EXT2FileSystem nor NTFileSystem on Aminet has large file support AFAIK. In order for a filesystem to have working large file support it needs to support the new 64-bit dos packets introduced in AmigaOS 4.x dos.library.

serpi

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/1 11:32 #6

Just popping in

You may consider usinf eSATA instead of USB for the connection. Would be much faster on Amiga.
You can get SATA -> eSATA connectors slots for nearly nothing on ebay & co.

Ciao, Alfred

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/1 20:03 #7

Quite a regular

Quote:

serpi wrote:
You may consider usinf eSATA instead of USB for the connection. Would be much faster on Amiga.
You can get SATA -> eSATA connectors slots for nearly nothing on ebay & co.

Ciao, Alfred

Yes, thank you for the tip, I have considered this too; in fact i'm reading reviews of eSATA/USB/LAN and eSATA/USB/FireWire boxes.

Maybe someone here is already gone through the process and can recommend an external HardDrive-case?

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/1 20:11 #8

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Quote:

salass00 wrote:
@Amigo1

Neither EXT2FileSystem nor NTFileSystem on Aminet has large file support AFAIK. In order for a filesystem to have working large file support it needs to support the new 64-bit dos packets introduced in AmigaOS 4.x dos.library.

I don't mind to access large files from OS4.1 Those large files are VM hardfiles, I guess it will be ok if I leave them alone when I connect the HD directly to the Amiga.

Thematic

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/1 21:15 #9

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td64patch is required for (ext2fs and) OS 4.0 but not 4.1.

Mrodfr

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/2 5:03 #10

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Hello,

check this on the images gallery of this site (hardware section)

Mrodfr - PowerOver-E-SATA on REDONE

I'm using 2 delock external HD case N° 42465:

http://www.delock.com/produkte/index.html?gruppe=Geh%C3%A4use

Work great and I will surely buy another one

the HD is 5x100go SFS formatted. I'm using Linux and the EXT2filesystem to transfert to my FAT peripherals (MP3 player,etc...).

A1200+Mediator+VooDoo3+060/50+96mo+IIYAMA 17"+CD,CDRW,ZIP SCSI-KIT
SAM440EP on Mapower 3000+AOS4.1

Amiga Docs Disk Preservation Project

tonyw

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/2 13:18 #11

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@Amigo1:

I don't think it matters how you connect the drive to the Amiga (USB, SATA or PATA), you will still need a filesystem to support the content. Until there is an up-to-date filesystem for EXT2 (or any of the others), you can't process I/O properly with a direct connection.

Your only recourse at the moment is the remote connection via FTP to the server.

cheers
tony

Antique

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/2 13:35 #12

Home away from home

@tonyw

How about a bounty for ext2/ntfs or somiliar?

That's something id donate for. That could be included into os4 itself.

X5000

Slash

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/3 13:29 #13

Just popping in

Buy a QNAP NAS station and throw the 2Tb drive in there.

Best thing I've ever bought; automatic SAMBA setup for your shares, web server, IMAP mail server, SVN server, Multimedia Station etc etc.

I have mine connected to my A1, Mac and PC and they all share data perfectly.

nbache

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/3 22:31 #14

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@Slash:
Quote:

Buy a QNAP NAS station and throw the 2Tb drive in there.

Best thing I've ever bought;

Sounds interesting. Which one did you get? Link? Price?

Best regards,

Niels

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/4 0:53 #15

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@Mrodfr
Quote:

Mrodfr wrote:
Hello,

check this on the images gallery of this site (hardware section)

Mrodfr - PowerOver-E-SATA on REDONE

I'm using 2 delock external HD case N° 42465:

http://www.delock.com/produkte/index.html?gruppe=Geh%C3%A4use

Work great and I will surely buy another one

the HD is 5x100go SFS formatted. I'm using Linux and the EXT2filesystem to transfert to my FAT peripherals (MP3 player,etc...).

Thanks, but I'm more looking for something with integrated LAN

Edited by Amigo1 on 2011/6/4 1:13:02

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/4 0:55 #16

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@tonyw
Quote:

tonyw wrote:
@Amigo1:

I don't think it matters how you connect the drive to the Amiga (USB, SATA or PATA), you will still need a filesystem to support the content. Until there is an up-to-date filesystem for EXT2 (or any of the others), you can't process I/O properly with a direct connection.

Your only recourse at the moment is the remote connection via FTP to the server.

So getting a drive case with LAN seems the best solution, I could connect and access to the files through the integrated FTP/Samba server.

Edited by Amigo1 on 2011/6/4 1:13:32

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/4 0:56 #17

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@Antique
Quote:

Antique wrote:
@tonyw

How about a bounty for ext2/ntfs or somiliar?
That's something id donate for. That could be included into os4 itself.

You can count me in for that!

Edited by Amigo1 on 2011/6/4 1:14:21

Amigo1

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/4 1:12 #18

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@nbache
Quote:

nbache wrote:
@Slash:
Quote:
Buy a QNAP NAS station and throw the 2Tb drive in there.

Best thing I've ever bought;

Sounds interesting. Which one did you get? Link? Price?

Best regards,

Niels

the link is in his post, just hover over the Case name, or HERE

@Slash

nice case! Thanks for the tip! I've found a similar model QNAP TS 119p+ which seems to have better specs and be less power hungry.
In worse case scenario do you know if it's possible to configure the server with a webrowser; Or is there a need for some proprietary software which works only on some OS?

tonyw

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/4 2:32 #19

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@Antique:

Regarding EXT2 or NTFS: in order to do a thorough port, you would have to be familiar with the FS you were porting - that means being a Windows dev or a Linux expert. It's a bit outside my experience, I'm afraid.

In any case, I prefer to transfer at a higher level, eg FTP or SMBFS.

cheers
tony

nbache

Re: Sharing a Hard drive

Posted on: 2011/6/5 9:19 #20

Just can't stay away

Quote:

Amigo1 wrote:

the link is in his post, just hover over the Case name, or HERE

Ah, right - sorry, I wasn't using my normal system/browser, so I didn't notice the link (it's almost indistinguishible from normal text here in FF4 on my wife's Win7 laptop).

Yes, looks nice. There's some more info here: http://www.av-connection.dk/?PGr=3777&ML=971

So, is there an AmigaOS iSCSI initiator anywhere? Or should we have a look at porting one?

Best regards,

Niels

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