Since one month now, I tried again Jörg's Reaction OWB and I find it to run very nicely: crashes are rare and it's faster than MUIOWB (Sam460, Update6).
Mmm faster ? I don't know, MUI OWB on my system have for sure a better scrolling compared to any Reaction version around, also latest 3.32 have an issue that tend to block the entire GUI for many seconds, not to mention the removal of the "show source" functionality ...
Best Reaction version for me still the older 3.31, however after a while i stopped to use it aswell once kas1e ported the more complete Fab version
I wonder if we will have further release, even because as usual the source was never released and Joerg disappear without any apparent reason (as usual again)
I was too huge fan of MUI-OWB but since a few days I reverted using OWB 3.32 from Joerg and I must admit that, even if I miss some functionnalities from MUI-OWB, I apprecitate its stability over MUi-OWB (well, Kas1e's port of MUi-OWB since with the latest, I randomly get some crashes without any apparent reason, which is not the case with RA-OWB).
And I encounter the same freezes (GUI freezes for some seconds) from both ones.
Used with ClipDown and OWB AdressBook, I find them as easier to use.
I never "switched" to MUI OWB, Jörg's OWB is still my main browser in version 3.31 (!!!). Enhanced with Clipdown and OWBUtilities.
It's often faster (at least it feels faster), more stable and has the faaaaar better font rendering than any other AmigaOS browser. Netsurf 3.0 is the second browser I use regularly - it performs nicely with my low end AmigaOS 4.1 system (Sam440ep).
I do not know how it feel faster, because muiowb clearly faster when scroll big fat pages. I do compassion some time ago, and even make a video to show how speed is different on facebook (where muiowb was a lot faster at that time). Maybe gui itself feels a bit faster, dunno, but in theory muiowb should be faster in rendering all the time (and it was like this in practice).
As for "lately i have crashes", then if muiowb is the same, but one start to have new crashes, then its not muiowb fault imho, but some other components. Depends also what kind of crashes : if they in webkit, then some pages changes which cause crashes with old webkit code, if crashes are gui related, then its mui updates, if crashes kernel/system related, then its new updates which cause that.
And as for font rendering : there is ra-owb for sure better. I always like it myself, and i never like that sucking boring boredom with fontconfig.
Sadly that Joerg wasn't in interest to make all those download managers and co.. He was sure TW will be done fast, and will works fast, but well ..
Sadly that Joerg wasn't in interest to make all those download managers and co.. He was sure TW will be done fast, and will works fast, but well ..
All this was a rather poor excuse on his part, IMHO. Had he released (or at least handed over to someone else) the full source code after he dropped OWB, we would now have a much better browser with a much more developed user interface. How long would it take me to write a proper, integrated address book - a weekend or two?
Ask him how much $$$$ for the sources or adding features??
If he wanted money for making the sources available, surely he would already ask for it? And as regards adding features: he was apparently reluctant to add features even when his OWB was in full development, so...
And as regards adding features: he was apparently reluctant to add features even when his OWB was in full development, so...
I don't wish to put words in his mouth, but I think he always saw RA-OWB as a "stop-gap" measure until Timberwolf was ready. Sadly things have taken (and still take...) a lot longer than hoped.
I'm not too fussed about MUI-OWB crashing, since it has the WONDERFUL MAGICAL (but strangely disabled by default?) feature where it auto-saves all open tabs, so that in event of a crash I do not loose which pages I had open.
And I don't wish to put words into Kas1e's mouth either, but from the *outside* he appears to have lost interest in updating MUI-OWB & instead now starts yet more major ports (e.g. DOpus5) which I have to wonder if they will be finished either. (In Kas1e's defence, he did privately tell me some reasons why MUI-OWB had not been updated, but it's now months later without any sign, so I find it hard to believe those were the only reasons.) (And I don't want to sound ungrateful for all the work Kas1e has already put into organising & doing the porting of MUI-OWB, it's already very good, I just worry that it will never be improved further.)
but I think he always saw RA-OWB as a "stop-gap" measure until Timberwolf was ready.
Seems a funny excuse expecialy when Timberwolf was never finished aswell ..
Latest version is more or less 1 year old, still lots of bugs and it's also slow as hell (please don't tell me that it's fast on a 3000 euro machine)
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I don't want to sound ungrateful for all the work Kas1e has already put into organising & doing the porting of MUI-OWB, it's already very good, I just worry that it will never be improved further.)
At the end I think it will improved, but as usual in Amiga world still always all that if and if crap --> see the strange story about the impossibility to open a bounty in a decent time
At the end even if not comparable in term of feature the only serious and honest project still NetSurf, that's why i appreciate Chris a lot
Yes, I think SAM440 users are little bit forgotten.
Regarding browser in my opinion we are all more or less forgotten, not only the Sam440 users ..
We have many alternative in general witch is cool but only NetSurf are developed with regularity and this is very very annoying because all that projects are a huge potential :-/
To repeat myself nth time and to cut the c**p. I got the sources from Mr. Strohmayer. I asked. (Webkit in those sources is outdated anyway now.) If you want them then simply ask him.
Rock lobster bit me - so I'm here forever X1000 + AmigaOS 4.1 FE "Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system." - Seymour Cray
I do not know how it feel faster, because muiowb clearly faster when scroll big fat pages. I do compassion some time ago, and even make a video to show how speed is different on facebook (where muiowb was a lot faster at that time). Maybe gui itself feels a bit faster, dunno, but in theory muiowb should be faster in rendering all the time (and it was like this in practice).
Scrolling smoothness speed and display a web page speed are different sorts of speed. As with allthese things it likely depnds on which website you look at. I think I found that MUIOWB was faster on javascript heavy sites and similar on others.
I stuck with Reaction OWB however as the MUI version is less stable, and I didn't have an overwhelming need for the frills. Should there be an update to the MUI version, and it prove more stable (can't see whuy it wouldn't) I would likely swap over.
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And as for font rendering : there is ra-owb for sure better. I always like it myself, and i never like that sucking boring boredom with fontconfig.
I think the fonts look nicer but they render the wrong size causing some websites to ay out oddly, compared with other systems.
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Sadly that Joerg wasn't in interest to make all those download managers and co.. He was sure TW will be done fast, and will works fast, but well ..
He was IIRC more interested to get HTML etc functionality working than the frills functions like download mangers which no body actually needs. (Like sugar in your tea is nice but not neccessary)
To repeat myself nth time and to cut the c**p. I got the sources from Mr. Strohmayer. I asked. (Webkit in those sources is outdated anyway now.) If you want them then simply ask him.
So you got the sources and did nothing with them? Very helpful.
To repeat myself nth time and to cut the c**p. I got the sources from Mr. Strohmayer. I asked. (Webkit in those sources is outdated anyway now.) If you want them then simply ask him.
Really ? That's good, but please upload it on a public repository like Sourceforge, Google and so on.
If you do that anyone can look at, follow the progress etc without asking and asking, aka the same bad experience we had in the past and now with other important projects
P.S. Just I don't understand a detail, you have the old source from the Sand-Labs page or you have also the entire AmigaOS4 source updated to latest 3.32 version ?
That's important because ideally we should have the very latest version released under OS4, not an interim source that no one can interpretate ...
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