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Antique

kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/21 20:21 #1

Home away from home

Anyone knows what modules are required for boot? I'd like to remove the ones not used.

plan is to only add pci-e gfx card at most.
What is lsixxxxx and itxxxx modules used for???
What can be removed and not?

Quote:

; $VER: Kicklayout-Sam460ex 53.8 (30.10.2012)
;
; Kernel configuration for the Sam460ex
;
; This file describes how the "Kickstart" image should look like,
; i.e. it describes which modules should be pre-loaded and available
; at boot time.
;
;
; Format:
; ~~~~~~
; The file lists one or more configurations.
;
; Each configuration starts with the LABEL keyword, followed by the
; name of the configuration. The name can be used to specify the
; configuration in the bootloader tool (see Documentation/kernel/
; bootloader.txt). Note that empty lines end one configuration and
; start the next, which means that you must be careful not to leave
; an empty line anywhere unless you are defining multiple configurations.
;
; Each configuration must have exactly one line with the EXEC keyword.
; This specifies the filename of the main kernel to use. This kernel is
; the absolute minimum required to boot. It contains, among other things,
; exec.library.
;
; The following lines define additional modules to be loaded into the
; kickstart image. Each of these lines starts with the MODULE keyword
; followed by the filename of the module.
;
;
;
; Configuration name
LABEL AmigaOS 4.1 Update 6
; Exec name
EXEC Kickstart/loader
;
; PPC native modules
;
MODULE Kickstart/kernel
MODULE Kickstart/FastFileSystem
MODULE Kickstart/SmartFilesystem
MODULE Kickstart/JXFileSystem
MODULE Kickstart/battclock.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/bootmenu.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/bootimage
MODULE Kickstart/CDFileSystem
MODULE Kickstart/con-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/console.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.config
MODULE Kickstart/diskcache.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/dos.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/elf.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/env-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/FileSystem.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/gadtools.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/gameport.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/graphics.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/hunk.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/input.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/intuition.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/it8212ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/keyboard.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/keymap.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/layers.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/lsi53c8xx.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/newlib.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/nonvolatile.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/nvram.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ram-handler.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ramdrive.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/ramlib.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/shell.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sam460sata.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sii0680ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sii3112ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sii3114ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/sii3512ide.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/strap.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/timer.device.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/rtg.library
MODULE Kickstart/PCIGraphics.card
MODULE Kickstart/ATIRadeon.chip
MODULE Kickstart/RadeonHD.chip
MODULE Kickstart/3dfxVoodoo.chip
MODULE Kickstart/siliconmotion502.chip
MODULE Kickstart/petunia.library.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/usbresource.library
MODULE Kickstart/usbsys.device
MODULE Kickstart/hub.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/bootmouse.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/bootkeyboard.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/massstorage.usbfd
MODULE Kickstart/uhci.usbhcd
MODULE Kickstart/ohci.usbhcd
MODULE Kickstart/ehci.usbhcd
;
; Additional contributions from ACube.
;
MODULE Kickstart/i2c.resource.kmod
MODULE Kickstart/fpga.resource.kmod

X5000

nbache

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/21 22:32 #2

Just can't stay away

Honestly, why bother?

You only run the risk of having your boot fail the day you add another bit of hardware or whatever.

I'd say if you have to ask, you shouldn't.

Best regards,

Niels

LiveForIt

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/21 22:41 #3

Home away from home

You don't need the 3dfxVoodoo.chip you don't have the graphic card.

(NutsAboutAmiga)

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AmigaInputAnywhere
Excalibur
and other tools and apps.

logicalheart

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/21 22:50 #4

Just popping in

Here are some candidates for removal

MODULE Kickstart/lsi53c8xx.device.kmod
(PCI SCSI controller)

MODULE Kickstart/3dfxVoodoo.chip
(Old Voodoo video cards)

MODULE Kickstart/siliconmotion502.chip
(Sam440 on-board video)

Sam460 : X1000 : X5000

Elwood

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/22 10:30 #5

Just can't stay away

Quote:

MODULE Kickstart/siliconmotion502.chip (Sam440 on-board video)

No, it's Sam460 gfx chip. Better to leave it enabled just in case you boot the Sam460 without an attached graphic card.

Philippe 'Elwood' FERRUCCI
Sam460ex 1.10 Ghz
http://elwoodb.free.fr

salass00

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/22 13:04 #6

Just can't stay away

Quote:

MODULE Kickstart/siliconmotion502.chip
(Sam440 on-board video)

The Sam440 (not flex) has a Radeon M9 on board. Only the Sam460 has a SM502 which is both a gfx and sound card.

ssolie

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/22 15:40 #7

Amigans Defender

Note the Kicklayout is considered an OS controlled file much like the Startup-Sequence and thus will overwritten by updates.

ExecSG Team Lead

Anonymous

Re: kicklayout sam460

Dear Steven,

Could some way of intelligent selecting what is actually there be included (e.g. during install and introducing update or refresh somewhere when adding or replacing hardware)?

Reasons are:

a) Optimizing boot time
b) Saving system resources
c) Not loading unnecessary drivers anyway and introducing kind of driver managment

Surely its way more dangerous then editing startup-sequence, but its also interesting to see how Kickstart has grown to a set of drivers.

Surely, we do have sufficient resources on SAM 460 and X1000 to stand it all loaded, but again, its completely unintelligent and a bit resource waste (and Windows like)

logicalheart

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 0:41 #9

Just popping in

I don't think that should be automatic. It should be done manually or with a third-party program run manually. I don't want it to delay the install process. And more importantly, it has been a great ability for me to move a bootable hard drive to another computer and have it load fine.
It's very useful during hardware or software repair, and also for advance configuration of boot disks for use with future re-installs. When I try moving boot disks with Windows it almost always crashes without any recovery.

Sam460 : X1000 : X5000

Antique

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 10:52 #10

Home away from home

@niels
Cos i'd like to get fastest boot time possible.

Whats the it8212ide module?

X5000

Elwood

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 10:55 #11

Just can't stay away

As its name implies "ide", it's a disk driver for the ite8212 chip (see here)
As for boot times, you won't gain many seconds. Stop dreaming

Philippe 'Elwood' FERRUCCI
Sam460ex 1.10 Ghz
http://elwoodb.free.fr

Antique

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 10:58 #12

Home away from home

Thanks. I'll remove that one aswell.

Seems that i can cut off about 5 seconds on the boot time. Thats a nice start.

X5000

abalaban

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 11:09 #13

Quite a regular

@Antique

The kicklayout file does not contain so much things in it. Of course you'll a few seconds at cold boot. But at what price? You are just deactivating some system features, and obviously a few weeks, months away when you'll hook a new piece of hardware to your machine, you'll complain it does not works as others.
Moreover are you cold booting so much that a 5 seconds gain worth the trouble and hassle?

@vox
Quote:

b) Saving system resources

You'll not save so much system resources because if the specific hardware is not detected by the kickstart module then it shuts down (and free its memory)

Quote:

c) Not loading unnecessary drivers anyway and introducing kind of driver managment

See above answer. Adds to it that drivers in kicklayout have been carefully selected to ease booting and cut warm boot time as much as possible (anything loaded in kickstart at cold boot obviously does not have to be loaded from disk at each warm reboot). And finally there is already a driver management: if the dedicated hardware is not found the driver shutdown...

Back to a quiet home... At last

K-L

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 12:50 #14

Just can't stay away

I think the exact same way as abalaban. Do not touch your kicklayout, you will only trash your system.

Iimagine your HD graphic card fails and you want to boot with the SM502 chip, you won't be able to do so since you won't be able to modify your kicklayout to enable the SM502.

--
AmigaONE X1000 and Radeon RX 560

Antique

Re: kicklayout sam460

Posted on: 2013/7/23 13:20 #15

Home away from home

If my hd graphics fail, ill just swap it with another one. Or i can just plug the hd into my other os4 machine and edit the kicklayout again. I don't see the problem.

X5000

Anonymous

Re: kicklayout sam460

#16

OK we ll take your advices and leave it alone. Although boot time used to be prestigious feature and it seems it can be cut down.

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