I don't get way beta testers can't be more open about what they are testing for some selected none essential things, show some videos, write about progress, way does every thing have to go trow management always.
Hyperion entertainment is not the secret service.
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Quote: Because those that invest their money in these projects deserve respect.
You mean the paying customers, deserve respect?
What he means is that there are people who putting money into the "development" of products...those deserve to be left unknown (if they ask to be so) and given the sole right to decide whether a product will be shipped, if, and when
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Quote: Again, those that invest their money in the projects get to choose when/if things are released. Not you. Not me.
How does that work? What is the process how does the beta testers management and developers find out when to release the software?
Once the product has reached a state the developers and betatesters agree is fit for release. It will be given to the one that paid for it's development in the first place (no, not the customers) and let him or her decide...
That is from a POV of a user who neither know whats really going on behind the curtains nor knows anyone of those who pay (maybe Trevor, but i don't know him personally either)
I don't get way beta testers can't be more open about what they are testing for some selected none essential things, show some videos, write about progress, way does every thing have to go trow management always.
Thats the way companies work today...Amiga may be a hobby system, degrading it's only base of success (the OS) to a hobby management will cease development sooner than later.
Just accept that there are people who are able to work towards updating the OS but doesn't want to spend half of their time on fora, blogs or eMail wars with customers
Been there, done that...you know it will only get worse
Thats the way companies work today...Amiga may be a hobby system, degrading it's only base of success (the OS) to a hobby management will cease development sooner than later. Just accept that there are people who are able to work towards updating the OS but doesn't want to spend half of their time on fora, blogs or eMail wars with customers Been there, done that...you know it will only get worse
fully agree and kudos to Steven & his gang for keeping the 'management' side of 'herding cats' (as he affectionately puts it) in a some what manageable situation as proper business should be run.
Maybe part of the problem here is how we define ourselves and others involved with our favorite girlfriend.
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Since several people have likened the AmigaNG systems as hobby systems, perhaps some views on what a hobbyist is, and what he needs to sustain interest, would be helpful.
(I'll reserve my view for a later post or chime in should someone else have a similar opinion.)
To be clear, you can consider anything I've said here to be directed at those people who invest their money. They do have my utmost respect and admiration. It's certainly not a cheap endeavor on their end either, and believe me I want them to succeed. I think we can help them by doing more than keeping our eyes and mouths shut. They definitely do not want our wallets shut.
"people pursuing amateur activities to professional standards"
I find that an interesting concept.
Here's a different spin on amateur vs professional as well.
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It doesn't matter what you are trying to become better at, if you only do the work when you're motivated, then you'll never be consistent enough to become a professional.
Since this is a great chance to get out any feelings about Amiga which is a part of most of us, I must say I was a real good amiga supporter in the old days until I sold everything I had in 2000, I deeply regret that I sold it. but followed Amiga from time to time. Two years ago i joined, got a new AmigaOne500, something I have dreamed for long time and everything went like a dream when it comes to hardware and software setup. i also bought two Classic systems (2x1200). The problem is, I have not been good at giving developers any good feedbacks, you deserves that. I would like to thank you all for beeing so active and very good tone you have with each other. It is really fun to see you working. You all make it happend. So i try to thank some of you that had a good impact on me as an AmigaOS user, and still letting me use a AmigaNG System
THANK YOU!!
Chris, for your wonderful Netsurf, and kas1e,BSzili & Xenic who have been very commited and delivered great results in both Dopus5, Odyssey Web Browser, and others. zzd10h, for the wonderful programs you made, they are really important too me. LiveForIt for starting on MPlayer, Broadblues for you good software really professional made. Hans for your GPU knowledge, it's really good we have you in our camp. and of course LyleHaze for Sound drv & Software. Epsilon for the wonderful Blogs. And All Beta tester. And a really BIG thank you to Steven Solie and Hyperion, and likewise to Trevor Dickinson (A-Eon), AmigaKit and Acube.
I have for sure forgotten many good people her, but i had to stop at one point.
As for OS4 Update roadmap issue, i understand both sides, as a user only view, it's easy to loose some motivation when it is so silent, but i understand. You gave a update on AW.net that surely gave me some hope and happines:) Still, we are very lucky to have have OS4
The last thing i heard was some "official" comment on the driver.
Take that with a grain of salt and lots of time for i don't think it will ever be released (to non-beta-testers)...together with any part (updates, fixes, etc.) of the OS.
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