os4 japanese support

hi there,
who should i contact to offer doing the japanese translation of os4 ?
(for free of course)

i want to see os4 with japanese locale and support.
who is in charge of the locales and internationalization?

thanks for you time

@keisangi

I can't answer your questions but that is a generous offer which I am sure will be accepted to one extent or another.
Good onya mate.

ace

@keisangi

Check your PrivateMessages!

@Chip

hey thanks for this :)
i contact him right now :)

see you

@all

thanks for the support :)
I got mail from hyperion too.
if they allow me to do the translation, i'll do my best to get it done FAST ;)

having to switch linux or windows each time i want to write a mail or browse some Japanese site is annoying.

I hope OS4 get Japanese support soon.

@keisangi

If you'd like some help with Japanese support, I'd be happy to do whatever I can. Have you tried the current classic solutions on OS4? I set them up on my A1, but it caused some show-stopping problems with IBrowse and now
the Locale prefs editor always GRs when it first starts up.

@Valiant



Yes they're all useless on os4 imho..
jkff, jiwa, kezako ..all
os4 changed the font system.
But, if you can get something up and working i'm strongly interested :) it's not because i couldn't made these apps work on os4 that nobody can..
beside jkff is opensource ..

thanks for your offer to help.
i don't know yet if they will say "ok.
i'm waiting for their answer.

but if you can speak and write japanese, we could share the work, no problem. that's kind of you to propose ^^

i'll ask my gf (depending on her time) to help too, the more the merrier ;)
so it could get done asap.

for just the wb, menu , prefs, os4 installer and general interface,
i think i could get everything done in just few days.

after, the docs would take longer.. lots of text in there..

@keisangi

I have NO idea whats required for Japanese support in the OS or the apps, but if you want to do a Japanese locale translation for IBrowse aswell, drop me a line and we'll sort it out.

I would assume that as long as the OS supports whatever is required, that it will just be a matter of translating and creating the catalog, but I'm a total novice when it comes to all that as everything I use is in english anyway

@Vader


check your PM :)

@keisangi

I see from your thread on AmigaWorld.net here:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/v ... opic_id=21984&forum=14&20

that the first thing we'll need is a charset. I wrote a kana charset for my VIC-20 and then C64, though I suppose one for the Amiga will be very different. I'd be happy to look into what's needed for an Amiga charset if you'd like.

@Valiant

Yes please do so!
Everything that could help is welcome.
If you need me to do something just ask.
i'm on irc all the time.

thanks


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edit:

@Vailiant:
TetiSoft seems to say some work have to be done, for which i currently have no knowledge..
working on unicode and implementing the whole support.
i thought this would be done by hyperion themselve.
i just offered to do the translation.

i will still try to look at all the hint he gave us, but
i have no special knowledge in this area.
i just know Japanese and the way it works.
if you have any question about how japanese language works,
about phonetic system (kana) and their translation into kanji (japanese symbols) i can help anytime.

some years ago, i helped a friend to build a japanese input method on morphos, just like this, explaining how the language actualy works.. he could made a working program to input japanese on morphos. (btw morphos used jkff to be able to display japanese) but jkff don't seems to work on os4.

it's open source btw:
http://www.phoenix-c.or.jp/~olfa/jkff/index.html

it worked at some point in os4 too (pre4 i reckon)
but only with 68k progs..

anyway feel free to ask anything you need.

see you

@all

btw, if someone have the knowlege and the interest into looking at building unicode , charset, whatever japanese support on OS4, maybe this link could help?

http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Japanese.html

it seems to have some fonts, and links to more details docs (look at the bottom)


thanks

@all

just a short update to say: os4 can actualy display japanese. here, i typed this text myself on my pc, saved as utf8 (unicode) exported the file on the miggy, and it showed perfectly well.
everything is there, it's full japanese display support.

http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/os4japanese5.jpg

the text reads: AmigaOS4 can display Japanese text!

all i did was loading a ttf font into typemanager, and have typemanager to open a file as a sample test.

so one coul even save html page in japanese or whatever text in unicode and view it on os4 through typemanager :)
all done by os4 itself, with no patch at all :)

@all

typemanager reading a file:

http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/os4japanese6.jpg


i wish notepad could do it..
and ibrowse too

@keisangi

I found your screenshot on OS4, congratulations!

Function of JKFF is convert
"RAW keycode" => "kanji(SJIS/EUC) code".
If support OS4, it must convert
"RAW keycode" => "UTF-8 code".

I have some question. Do OS4 have input stream?
On OS3.9, JKFF insert input handler to input.device
with command IND_ADDHANDLER.

@olfa

Quote:
This command is still mentioned in the input.device autodocs
which are part of the OS4 SDK.

@olfa

hi Olfa, nice to see you around :)
would it be possible for you to port JKFF to os4 ?

Tetisoft is one of the key developper that work on os4 localization.
If you need help to port JKFF on OS4 he is the person in charge.
Tetisoft seems to have very good knowledge about amiga 68k and ppc.
Could try to speak with Tetisoft to get JKFF on os4 please ?
it would be very nice ..

thank you :)


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japanese:


Olfaさんお久しぶりです＾＾
こちらに来てくれてどうも
ありがとう！
最近ＯＳ４に日本語のサポ
ートをもらうため色々試し
ていましたが、
まだちょっと難しそうに見
えます。
本のちょっとしかサポート
されてないです。
ＪＫＦＦがあれば物凄く助
かります。
その点でよければTetisoftさんに
話してみてくれませんか。
彼はＯＳ４の開発者の一人
です。ロケールの担当です。
ＪＫＦＦはＯＳ４に動ける
ように何かやってくれれば
本当に嬉しいで
す。Tetisoftは細かい開発の話出
来るだから二人でよければ
何かやってみま
せんか。

お願いしますm(_ _)m

@TetiSoft

Tetisoft could you please help Olfa to port JKFF on OS4?
He came on his own, i didn't asked him anything.
He's not part of our discussion. he's a real survivor Japanese Amigan :) one of the last i guess ..

If you can't help him, could you please tell Olfa who to contact ?

Thanks ..


edit: seeing Olfa is still interested in amiga, i just mailed him. i offered to lend him my amigaone for a while if he need it.

if we could get a port of jkff that would be just great ..

@keisangi

Quote:
Well, I can try. Basically porting an 68k AmigaOS system patch to OS4 requires
the ability to build PPC binaries with the OS4 SDK. The first thing to do is
to "port" the sourcecode from SAS/C to gcc. The second is to "port"
the sourcecode from gcc/68k to gcc/PPC. This includes using OS4 interfaces
instead of OS3 library bases. This is explained in

SDK:Documentation/Developer Info/General/os4_migration_guide.pdf

The third and important step is to add a SetMethod() call
everywhere where a SetFunction() call exists, because SetFunction()
only affects function calls done from inside 68k programs.
The fourth step is to replace the old 68k replacement functions
with 68k stubs which call the new PPC functions. FDTrans (part of
the SDK) can be used to create such stubs.

At this point the program should either work, at least a bit,
or crash. When it crashes, debug binaries linked with -g and
GrimReaper logs should help to find the problem. When it works,
there should be made some adjustments to the new OS4 functions,
e.g. antialiasing, usage of truetype fonts, support for UTF-8
catalogs etc.

Olfa, feel free to contact me in private mail.

@TetiSoft

thanks for this. i'll try to see if i can help by lending him my amigaone for a while, if he need it.
maybe i could help translating information between you and him too.i just mailed him now, i'm waiting for an answer, and i'll see if i can do something.

my apologies for my behavior on aw.net.

@keisangi

I can't read japanese part of #16.
Because AWebII(m68k) handle only single byte,
it can't handle double byte (example "さ").
I drew up plan of port JKFF.
--Today--
JKFF(OS3.9/m68k)
1. Patch font table
2. Patch to function Text
3. Insert input handler (input.device)
4. Handle code SJIS/EUC/JIS
JKFFDisp(OS3.9/m68k)
1. One of commodities
2. Patch to font table
3. Ptach to function Text
4. Handle code SJIS/EUC/JIS/UTF
--Step1--
Create JKFFInput(OS3.9/m68k)(SAS/C)
1. One of commodities
2. Insert CxObject (commodities network)
3. Handle code UTF
4. (Not patch to font table)
5. (Not patch to function Text)
--Step2--
Port JKFFInput(OS4/PPC)(gcc)
(I wish "Same source code, each compile".)
--Goal--
OS3.9 JKFFDisp/JKFFInput(m68k)
OS4 JKFFInput(PPC)

I will start "Step1".
Long long ago, I bought "Amiga SDK for Linux" CD.
I can use it for develop Step2?