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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 5:19 #21

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@sundown

ok got my update CD and the files are exactly the same ???
WTF

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sundown

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 5:46 #22

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@328gts

Sorry, I just realized you're on a SAM, so your file revisions will be different from me, I have a micro.

Other then that, I'm running out of ideas. If you have a boot cd that shows images, all you can do is start comparing files to see whats missing/changed.

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number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 6:03 #23

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@328gts

Quote:

well i was messing around with my catweasel settings the other day but what the heck did I accidentally move/erase for this to happen ??

If you are absolutely 100% sure that you've done nothing else but fiddle with catweasel settings since your datatypes last worked...then we need someone to post that knows or has a catweasel.

sundown and I do not.

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cha05e90

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 8:59 #24

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@328gts

Hmm. Could you please post here a list of the datatype descriptors that reside in your DEVS:Datatypes drawer?

According to your Snoopy output, a "BINARY" datatype descriptor seems to "overule" all other datatypes (including all image types) - but there seem to be no "binary.datatype" class in Classes:Datatypes. Maybe some strange install script put that descriptor in your DEVS:Datatypes drawer? (Catweasel?)

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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 14:27 #25

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@cha05e90

here they are:

8svx.datatype
aiff.datatype
amigaguide.datatype
anim.datatype
animation.datatype
ascii.datatype
bmp.datatype
cdxl.datatype
gif.datatype
ilbm.datatype
jpeg.datatype
picture.datatype
png.datatype
sound.datatype
text.datatype
tiff.datatype
wav.datatype

@ number 6

I left a message for Spirantho on the CW thread here at amigans so hopefully he chimes in when he get a chance

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cha05e90

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 15:06 #26

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@328gts

Ok, thanks - that were the datatype classes from "SYS:Classes/Datatytpes/#?". And now the list of datatype descriptors from "DEVS:Datatypes/#?", please.

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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 16:08 #27

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@cha05e90

the files are identical in Devs:datatypes

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number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 16:11 #28

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@328gts

They should not be.

They should read as follows:

8svx
aiff
amigaguide
anim
ascii
bmp
cdxl
gif
ilbm
jpeg
png
tiff
wav

And each should have a corresponding .info file.

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Edited by number6 on 2010/10/5 17:25:08

Spirantho

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 17:00 #29

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The Catweasel software is just catweasel.device and catweaselsid.device - it's pretty unlikely to affect anything else!

328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 17:06 #30

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@number6

ahh ok maybe that's the problem then..can I just copy those files from the Update 1 CD then ?? (can't check now cause I'm away from my miggy)

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number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/5 17:15 #31

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@328gts

Quote:

ahh ok maybe that's the problem then..can I just copy those files from the Update 1 CD then ?? (can't check now cause I'm away from my miggy)

Maybe?

If you're not sure of the contents of devs:datatypes, please check when you get home 1st.

I'd rather not give you the next bit of advice until you are sure of the contents of that directory.

Post a directory listing here if you're not sure.

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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 5:02 #32

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@number6

ya the files are exactly the same...

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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 19:24 #33

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Chris

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 20:53 #34

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@cha05e90

Quote:

According to your Snoopy output, a "BINARY" datatype descriptor seems to "overule" all other datatypes (including all image types) - but there seem to be no "binary.datatype" class in Classes:Datatypes.

That's normal - binary.datatype is a superclass for binary files, but it's not included with OS4. There are 3rd party ones available that can be dropped in.

number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 21:03 #35

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@328gts

If you really have files in sys:devs/datatypes that are copies of those in sys:classes/datatypes then you -do- need to replace them with the datatype descriptors from your CD.

So yes, I would start with deleting the contents of your directory:
sys:devs/datatypes
And replace it with the contents from the CD directory devs/datatypes.

If any additions or changes were made to OS4.1 update 2 regarding either sys:devs/datatypes OR sys:classes/datatypes, you would also have to update to any newer versions.

btw-I am still curious how this could have happened to you.

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number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 21:28 #36

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@Chris

I did a quick test.
I deleted all datatype descriptors from sys:dev/datatypes and replaced them with the datatypes themselves from sys:classes/datatypes. (rebooted)

iff loader on background pic for WB failed of course.
Then I tried to load .jpg with multiview:

00001 : ENV : FAIL = Lock("ENVARC:ELF.LazyBinding",SHARED) [43uS]
00002 : MultiView : FAIL = Open("PROGDIR:Catalogs/english/Sys/utilities.catalog",OLD) = [0x00000000] [65uS]
00003 : ENV : FAIL = Lock("ENVARC:MultiView",SHARED) [43uS]
00004 : MultiView : FAIL = GetVar("MultiView/Workbench",0x6D20FBC0,30,0x00000D00) [250uS]
00005 : ramlib : FAIL = LoadSeg_OVL("LIBS:datatypes/binary.datatype",0x00000000,0x00000000) = [0x00000000] [249uS]
00006 : ramlib : FAIL = LoadSeg_OVL("CLASSES:datatypes/binary.datatype",0x00000000,0x00000000) = [0x00000000] [13249uS]
00007 : MultiView : FAIL = [exec] OpenLibrary("datatypes/binary.datatype",0) [13712uS]

You can see that I got similar error message to the OP concerning binary.datatype.

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sundown

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 21:38 #37

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@328gts

Check the following 2 system directories;

System/Devs/DataTypes:

WAVE.info
WAVE
TIFF.info
TIFF
PNG.info
PNG
JPEG.info
JPEG
ILBM.info
ILBM
GIF.info
GIF
FTXT.info
FTXT
CDXL.info
CDXL
BMP.info
BMP
ANIM.info
ANIM
AmigaGuide.info
AmigaGuide
AIFF.info
AIFF
8SVX.info
8SVX

System/Classes/DataTypes:

wav.datatype
tiff.datatype
text.datatype
sound.datatype
png.datatype
picture.datatype
jpeg.datatype
ilbm.datatype
gif.datatype
cdxl.datatype
bmp.datatype
ascii.datatype
animation.datatype
anim.datatype
amigaguide.datatype
aiff.datatype
8svx.datatype

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328gts

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 21:42 #38

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@number6

Quote:

number6 wrote:
@Chris

I did a quick test.
I deleted all datatype descriptors from sys:dev/datatypes and replaced them with the datatypes themselves from sys:classes/datatypes. (rebooted)

iff loader on background pic for WB failed of course.
Then I tried to load .jpg with multiview:

00001 : ENV : FAIL = Lock("ENVARC:ELF.LazyBinding",SHARED) [43uS]
00002 : MultiView : FAIL = Open("PROGDIR:Catalogs/english/Sys/utilities.catalog",OLD) = [0x00000000] [65uS]
00003 : ENV : FAIL = Lock("ENVARC:MultiView",SHARED) [43uS]
00004 : MultiView : FAIL = GetVar("MultiView/Workbench",0x6D20FBC0,30,0x00000D00) [250uS]
00005 : ramlib : FAIL = LoadSeg_OVL("LIBS:datatypes/binary.datatype",0x00000000,0x00000000) = [0x00000000] [249uS]
00006 : ramlib : FAIL = LoadSeg_OVL("CLASSES:datatypes/binary.datatype",0x00000000,0x00000000) = [0x00000000] [13249uS]
00007 : MultiView : FAIL = [exec] OpenLibrary("datatypes/binary.datatype",0) [13712uS]

You can see that I got similar error message to the OP concerning binary.datatype.

#6

#6 you sir are NUMBER1 in my book

problem solved now thanks to your help

..oh & sundown & cha05e90 as well

btw, have no blody idea how those folders got buggered up....must have accidentally copied them some how when I was trouble shooting my catweasel

anyhow alls well that end well

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Chris

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 22:50 #39

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@number6

When I said it was normal, I meant it was normal that datatypes.library would try to load binary.datatype. It would only do this if it could not find a matching subclass.

Normally if you are loading a JPEG, datatypes.library would check the file against all the descriptors (in DEVS:DataTypes), identify it as a JPEG. The JPEG descriptor would tell datatypes.library that jpeg.datatype handles the file. jpeg.datatype is subclassed from picture.datatype, so loads that to do rendering (and other things which relate to all pictures, not just JPEGs).

If datatypes.library fails to identify the file using the descriptors, it falls back to one of the three base classes - ascii.datatype, iff.datatype or binary.datatype.

Out of these three, only ascii.datatype is supplied with OS4, as it is the superclass for all text formats.

So, seeing binary.datatype in the log is normal, if it is a non-IFF binary file which could not be matched against any descriptor. This is consistent against the issue the OP was having with no descriptors present.

number6

Re: can't load mixer images & wb backdrop when booting OS4.1u2 ??

Posted on: 2010/10/6 22:58 #40

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@Chris

Thanks for that explanation regarding "fallback". Much appreciated.
I was curious about that myself.
I only thought to imitate the OP's experience and attempt a .jpg file load from Multiview.

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