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Software News : Zune Enhancement Bounty opened!

Posted by ShInKurO on 2010/9/16 19:37:05 (2470 reads) News by the same author

Zune is an open source implementation of MUI which is included in AROS project, it is compatible with MUI3.8 APIs and it has some features which are missed on MUI3.8. In the latest years Zune was ported from AROS to AmigaOS3, and so the only MUI registered features and Zune modern features can be used on OS3 for free.
Zune is even ready to be ported on AmigaOS4.

Many OS4/AROS/OS3 users are interested to have software like OWB-MOS and Ambient on their systems, but these software use new API of MUI4, so the better way to have these software on OS4/AROS/OS3 would be to have MUI4 on these systems. Even many developers waited to have MUI4 API avaible for all Amiga systems.

However MUI author seems not to be interested to do a port of his latest framework version to OS4/AROS/OS3, so only MorphOS users can use these software and only MorphOS developers can use MUI4 for their software.

This new bounty is opened to goal Zune MUI4 compatible. In a similar form Zune can give to their users software like OWB-MorphOS and Ambient with few work on system where Zune is avaiable.
To third parts developers a Zune MUI4 compatible would give an easy way to write their software in a easy portable way between different Amiga flavours without too much work because they could use a only powerful framework API instead to workaround different behaviours of MUI3.8/MUI3.9/Zune.

http://www.power2people.org/bounty_057.html

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kas1e	Published: 2010/9/16 20:46 Updated: 2010/9/16 20:46
Home away from home Joined: 09/11/2007 From: Russia Comments: 9111	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @Shinkuro As i say on aw, its too big for one bounty, and too AROS specific in the description. Imho it should be splitted on little bountes, and they should mean os4/aros by default. I mean: 1 bounty: Make Zune fully mui3.9 replacement (and port it to AOS4). 2 bounty: Add those MUI4 fucntions, which are need it for make Fab's OWB works (for aros and aos4 as well) 3 bounty: Anything else which not so important for now, because everyone just want Fab's OWB on aros/aos4 :)

afxgroup	Published: 2010/9/16 20:50 Updated: 2010/9/16 20:50
Amigans Defender Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Taranto, Italy Comments: 1356	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! i'll repeat again.. it is stupid to work to MUI port only to compile Fab's OWB version.. Joerg version, if completed with all other things, could be the same. Someone should compile it and improve and you will see that is the same.

samo79	Published: 2010/9/16 23:26 Updated: 2010/9/16 23:26
Home away from home Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Italy, Perugia Comments: 3788 Online!	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Andrea I agree, it could be stupid only for the OWB port, but improve MUI or port a new Zune with MUI4 functionalities could bring so much benefits for us. You suggest to update our OWB-Reaction, well first we need to find a developer that can be able to write all that features from scratch, second we need to wait for a better Reaction support So the question now is: why rewrite from scratch an already availible software ? We have this luck, we have an already packed source and it's packed in Amiga way, some deps remains that's true, but they aren't so huge ! Speaking about the bounty (so we can now turn back in topic ), obviosly I have (as user) many doubt expecially about the timeline, it could be better if we can separate the OWB-Project to the Zune bounty and then, try to port it in an independent way,,. if possible ...

Antique	Published: 2010/9/16 23:41 Updated: 2010/9/16 23:41
Home away from home Joined: 11/30/2006 From: Norway Comments: 2628	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @afxgroup Liveforit is trying. But going slowly atm. And cmake ported to os4 would help,then i'd try to give it a shot aswell. It's a pain setting up and using the cross compiler stuff.

Troels	Published: 2010/9/17 8:29 Updated: 2010/9/17 8:29
Not too shy to talk Joined: 11/30/2006 From: Comments: 449	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @Kas1e I agree that it should have been split over more bounties. Would be easier to see progress and make people donate more. Second I don't really find it very useful for OS4. Hyperion are not likely to use it as ReAction replacement as they hinted more than once that something like QT was a more likely direction to take. So we get something that MIGHT be able to replace MUI 3.9 or live side by side with MUI and ReAction and.... IMO it's a mess:) When it's finally done and ported to OS4 we will probably be having a fully functioning Firefox anyway, so looking at the short term apart from Fab's OWB port what's really to gain?

kas1e	Published: 2010/9/17 8:34 Updated: 2010/9/17 8:38
Home away from home Joined: 09/11/2007 From: Russia Comments: 9111	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @Troels Yep, you are right, but anyway its better to have more choices , like "well, maybe i will use today mui4, and ambient on my os4". But maybe Filer will be already integrated to WB when ambient can be ported to aos4 :) Anyway, i think there is the 2 main points for us: 1. Fabbien's OWB 2. Give users possibility to develop for mui4 for all the platforms, and not only for morphos Imho why not .. Hyperion for now have mui3.9 only because of support with some software, so, if new opensource mui realisation will be avail, and will have new features (without bugs of old ones), then why not just replace it (even not by Hyperion) for end usage .. All in all it will be just coping of new files over old ones. But because bounty its too heavy , and have many different tasks it for sure not will happens very soon. They for first should crate a bounty which will fix mui3.9 bugs on zune (by compiling zune for aos4, and do compare by actual software). And only after add something. For example LunaPaint (which are MUI3 based) works fine over zune (deal with zune bugs), but buggy like hell on aos4 and morphos. (i am about that fixing of zune bugs, are already a big taks will be imho).

afxgroup	Published: 2010/9/17 8:39 Updated: 2010/9/17 8:39
Amigans Defender Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Taranto, Italy Comments: 1356	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! i bet you will never see MUI4 on AROS or OS4.. I'll repeat.. instead of spend useless time on MUI just to port OWB (because you'll never see any other software ported from a MOS developer on other platforms), spend it to improve our version

kas1e	Published: 2010/9/17 8:44 Updated: 2010/9/17 8:47
Home away from home Joined: 09/11/2007 From: Russia Comments: 9111	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @afxgroup You are right, but we not have for now any developer, who will works on OWB and add new features to it. Joerg only fixing current bugs. So, if (if) that bounty will be done (what can be not happeens at all because of that heavyst), then we can port it to aos4 (why not). Btw, For example, Fabbien very communicative man, and he can give sources of his Mplayer, which have normal GUI already (which imho, mui4 too). Our mplayer (you know that better than anyone else of course), buggy (crashes on exit from time to time), and have no real gui (that from OnyxSoft can't be caleld as GUI ). I mean there is one more plus in having mui4 for aos4 too. And all in all, none of us are even think about works on that bounty for now. So the only time-loose for now its writing our comments :)

afxgroup	Published: 2010/9/17 8:52 Updated: 2010/9/17 8:52
Amigans Defender Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Taranto, Italy Comments: 1356	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! true, but would be more useful to open a bounty to port QT to OS4 so you can port BILLIONS of software to OS4 and not only a browser and a movie player (that you can fix by yourself also using reaction)

Troels	Published: 2010/9/17 10:22 Updated: 2010/9/17 10:29
Not too shy to talk Joined: 11/30/2006 From: Comments: 449	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @afxgroup +1 for QT Alfkil have done the Amicygnix port of QT but I don't know whether he would like to give an actual OS4 port a shot. I guess he's busy with other stuff right now and it's probably way to big to be a one man job anyway. @kas1e Let's see where the AROS bounty ends and take it from there. Personally I think it's gonna be a looong time before we see Zune fixed and improved. I'd like to be proved wrong though.

cha05e90	Published: 2010/9/17 11:59 Updated: 2010/9/17 11:59
Quite a regular Joined: 03/10/2009 From: Germany Comments: 651	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @Troels Quote: it's probably way to big to be a one man job anyway Maybe Edgars experience with AmiCygnix and his own effort to do some of his portings in a "native" AmigaOS manner can be combined with Alfkils work - two people with knowledge, who might be able to implement QT ... just a thought

samo79	Published: 2010/9/17 15:10 Updated: 2010/9/17 15:12
Home away from home Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Italy, Perugia Comments: 3788 Online!	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! @afxgroup QT could be important, but in the future not now, IMHO at the moment could be a lot better to have the possibility to share our amigans source codes, you seems very optimistic about improving OWB Reaction, i'm not .... if so why Joerg work on it alone ? Many time I read sentence like: Great work, cool, awesome and so on but no one try to help him seriously writing code... Now for example we have 1 person in our little world that write an incredible browser using an Amiga tool (100% Amiga like tool), we already have this tool altrought in an old form, why you don't see the advantage to port it in the latest form in order to work togheter with the other AmigaOS-like coders ? Above I mean a clone with all MUI4 functionalities We already have 2 choice, MUI and Reaction, each one needs testing, experience, feedback, debugging, are you sure that we can freely open the door to QT ?

ssolie	Published: 2010/9/17 17:36 Updated: 2010/9/17 17:36
Amigans Defender Joined: 11/26/2006 From: Canada Comments: 986	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Quote: However MUI author seems not to be interested to do a port of his latest framework version to OS4/AROS/OS3... This is incorrect. The MorphOS Team is blocking the porting of MUI 4 to other platforms which has only recently been publicly acknowledged. I'm not trying to demonize anybody here but rather I want it to be crystal clear why this bounty exists for those wishing to contribute money. I also believe this bounty is a waste of time and we should be concentrating on a modern GUI toolkit like WxWidgets or Qt instead.

afxgroup	Published: 2010/9/17 18:12 Updated: 2010/9/17 18:12
Amigans Defender Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Taranto, Italy Comments: 1356	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Quote: if so why Joerg work on it alone ? Many time I read sentence like: Great work, cool, awesome and so on but no one try to help him seriously writing code... Because no one has joined the project? Why do you think that is Joerg the problem and maybe that no one has helped him? (for the theme fanatics..) Quote: Now for example we have 1 person in our little world that write an incredible browser using an Amiga tool (100% Amiga like tool), we already have this tool altrought in an old form, why you don't see the advantage to port it in the latest form in order to work togheter with the other AmigaOS-like coders ? No one has told that you cannot try to port Fab OWB version to OS4.. simply it is stupid to open a MUI bounty just for porting OWB. Quote: We already have 2 choice, MUI and Reaction, each one needs testing, experience, feedback, debugging, are you sure that we can freely open the door to QT ? Yes I am. Just take a look at Haiku port.. and tell me if you see differences between Haiku GUI and Native programs

samo79	Published: 2010/9/17 18:28 Updated: 2010/9/17 18:28
Home away from home Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Italy, Perugia Comments: 3788 Online!	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Quote: Because no one has joined the project? Why do you think that is Joerg the problem and maybe that no one has helped him? (for the theme fanatics..) Sorry can you reformulate in our native language ? Quote: No one has told that you cannot try to port Fab OWB version to OS4.. simply it is stupid to open a MUI bounty just for porting OWB. I've to agree Quote: Yes I am. Just take a look at Haiku port.. and tell me if you see differences between Haiku GUI and Native programs To be honest I never use Haiku but i believe you, but we are talking about the Amiga community, for what i can see even today there are many visual difference between Reaction and MUI software, and we are talking about 15+ years old Amiga tools ... But I don't have anythings against QT ..

afxgroup	Published: 2010/9/17 19:15 Updated: 2010/9/17 19:15
Amigans Defender Joined: 12/02/2006 From: Taranto, Italy Comments: 1356	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Quote: Sorry can you reformulate in our native language ? Sorry, the "(for the theme fanatics..)" was related to the latest reply.. Quote: To be honest I never use Haiku but i believe you, but we are talking about the Amiga community, for what i can see even today there are many visual difference between Reaction and MUI software, and we are talking about 15+ years old Amiga tools ... And why we must remained seated and see other OS that goes to the 2100 and we are in the 1990? take a look at QT for haiku and you can see what is possible to do with Haiku and theming

Templario	Published: 2010/9/17 22:36 Updated: 2010/9/17 22:36
Quite a regular Joined: 03/28/2010 From: Palencia-Spain Comments: 788	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! And Commodere USA must put money too????

Kicko	Published: 2010/9/17 23:09 Updated: 2010/9/17 23:09
Just can't stay away Joined: 10/25/2007 From: Gothenburg / Sweden Comments: 1175	Re: Zune Enhancement Bounty opened! Would be nice to have something to replace mui3.9 with that can run mui4 stuff.